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Profits over privacy, over people, over the security of elections. He’s repeatedly failed to address scandal after scandal of his company. Scariest of all is t

Profits over privacy, over people, over the security of elections. He’s repeatedly failed to address scandal after scandal of his company. Scariest of all is that people like you don’t even seem to care. It’s totally OK to violate privacy, permit foreign actors to undermine elections, as long you make a ton of money.

joering2 7y ago
Apparantely how its done in “corporate america” since our government allows it and approves it. Btw: friends don’t let friends do Facebook.
thrower123 7y ago
I'd be more concerned that it is apparently fine for Facebook employees to dox random anonymous users to gossip rags like the Daily Beast.
- ummonk 7y ago
  What is this in reference to?
  - thrower123 7y ago
    https://www.thedailybeast.com/we-found-shawn-brooks-the-guy-behind-the-viral-drunk-pelosi-video https://www.thedailybeast.com/we-found-shawn-brooks-the-guy-...
ip26 7y ago
Of course, none of those things are something I expect a faceless suit to do any better at.
strikelaserclaw 7y ago
If people loved their privacy so much they would stop using FB, Watsapp, Instagram, Google etc...None of the FB products are really even necessary (I know because i don't use any of em). They would vote with their behaviors so the corporation changes. As for the meddling in elections, it merely revealed what america is really like. Even if FB didn't exist, we were eventually going to get where we are today. As for people like me, like 98% of HN would take a job with FB if it paid them the right price, the 1 % have better offers so they can take the moral high ground without really sacrificing anything, so really where is the "morality" of all the people. FB is a scummy corp, but they are more or less just as scummy as many corporations we have in modern day america, it is just that they are easily visible as a target.
- kalado 7y ago
  Not using WhatsApp isn't really an option if your social circle is not compromised by 80% of tech people. Everything else is possible, although not using youtube can be pretty detrimental, depending on how you use it.
repolfx 7y ago
He hasn't addressed these scandals because there's nothing to address - the "scandals" are entirely artificial, whipped up by the same frenzied political climate that convinced half of America Trump is a Russian spy. Let's look at Cambridge Analytica? • Not proven anything they did actually affected anything. The assumption it did relies on a lot of controversial beliefs about human nature. • Data was obtained through a middleman who violated his own agreements with Facebook - an academic who has mysteriously not been held to account for this behaviour. Somehow it's all Facebook's fault. • They restricted data access to apps anyway. Not much more they can do beyond terminate all API access to Facebook data, which would just get them in trouble of a different kind. There's nothing more Facebook can do here. Zuck's biggest mistake was not to go in all guns blazing in defence of the company and adopt a head-hanging mea culpa type attitude, which allowed his political enemies to frame it as a scandal when it simply wasn't. Likewise, "election interference". It's all nonsense. A few hundred thousand spent on ads for both parties by Russians? A whole lot of innuendo and lies from the press? Indeed the entire assumption that Russians = Russia = the Kremlin is absurd to begin with. Zuck should have very forcefully and bombastically slapped down this kind of talk. He failed to face down the anti-Trump mob and now the mob failed again to get Trump impeached, they're coming for him instead.
- strikelaserclaw 7y ago
  It's because a certain segment of america does not wanna believe that people could vote for Donald Trump unless they were manipulated, so they need a scapegoat (FB).
- lambdadmitry 7y ago
  Of course the CA scandal is real, of only slightly misframed. You can't accidentally leak data that you don't store and you're unlikely to provide API access to data you really consider private. Did they manage to expose peoples' raw passwords? Nope, because they consider it "sensitive" data, unlike basically everything else. Had they treat social graph as private as passwords, the CA story would never happen.

joering2 7y ago

Apparantely how its done in “corporate america” since our government allows it and approves it. Btw: friends don’t let friends do Facebook.

thrower123 7y ago

I'd be more concerned that it is apparently fine for Facebook employees to dox random anonymous users to gossip rags like the Daily Beast.

ummonk 7y ago
What is this in reference to?
- thrower123 7y ago
  https://www.thedailybeast.com/we-found-shawn-brooks-the-guy-behind-the-viral-drunk-pelosi-video https://www.thedailybeast.com/we-found-shawn-brooks-the-guy-...

ip26 7y ago

Of course, none of those things are something I expect a faceless suit to do any better at.

strikelaserclaw 7y ago

If people loved their privacy so much they would stop using FB, Watsapp, Instagram, Google etc...None of the FB products are really even necessary (I know because i don't use any of em). They would vote with their behaviors so the corporation changes. As for the meddling in elections, it merely revealed what america is really like. Even if FB didn't exist, we were eventually going to get where we are today. As for people like me, like 98% of HN would take a job with FB if it paid them the right price, the 1 % have better offers so they can take the moral high ground without really sacrificing anything, so really where is the "morality" of all the people. FB is a scummy corp, but they are more or less just as scummy as many corporations we have in modern day america, it is just that they are easily visible as a target.

kalado 7y ago
Not using WhatsApp isn't really an option if your social circle is not compromised by 80% of tech people. Everything else is possible, although not using youtube can be pretty detrimental, depending on how you use it.

repolfx 7y ago

He hasn't addressed these scandals because there's nothing to address - the "scandals" are entirely artificial, whipped up by the same frenzied political climate that convinced half of America Trump is a Russian spy. Let's look at Cambridge Analytica? • Not proven anything they did actually affected anything. The assumption it did relies on a lot of controversial beliefs about human nature. • Data was obtained through a middleman who violated his own agreements with Facebook - an academic who has mysteriously not been held to account for this behaviour. Somehow it's all Facebook's fault. • They restricted data access to apps anyway. Not much more they can do beyond terminate all API access to Facebook data, which would just get them in trouble of a different kind. There's nothing more Facebook can do here. Zuck's biggest mistake was not to go in all guns blazing in defence of the company and adopt a head-hanging mea culpa type attitude, which allowed his political enemies to frame it as a scandal when it simply wasn't. Likewise, "election interference". It's all nonsense. A few hundred thousand spent on ads for both parties by Russians? A whole lot of innuendo and lies from the press? Indeed the entire assumption that Russians = Russia = the Kremlin is absurd to begin with. Zuck should have very forcefully and bombastically slapped down this kind of talk. He failed to face down the anti-Trump mob and now the mob failed again to get Trump impeached, they're coming for him instead.

strikelaserclaw 7y ago
It's because a certain segment of america does not wanna believe that people could vote for Donald Trump unless they were manipulated, so they need a scapegoat (FB).
lambdadmitry 7y ago
Of course the CA scandal is real, of only slightly misframed. You can't accidentally leak data that you don't store and you're unlikely to provide API access to data you really consider private. Did they manage to expose peoples' raw passwords? Nope, because they consider it "sensitive" data, unlike basically everything else. Had they treat social graph as private as passwords, the CA story would never happen.