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Well did you try out Linux bash on windows. In less than 2 minutes you setup a Debian instance. You got shells and everything. All well known ide's are availabl

Well did you try out Linux bash on windows. In less than 2 minutes you setup a Debian instance. You got shells and everything. All well known ide's are available on both Windows and Mac. In my opinion there is no real difference anymore. I am a Mac user and windows user. The only reason why I still use my Mac is because of the ergonomics.

rusk 7y ago
In my experience Mac OS still has the edge in terms of stability. But certainly the gap is closing.
- barrkel 7y ago
  The only crashes I've had from NT kernel over the past 15 years or so are from graphics card drivers and bad RAM. Linux is a lot less stable, as a laptop OS, than Windows or OSX. Suspend and resume in presence and absence of multiple monitors is like rolling dice; locks up about 15% of the time.
  - rusk 7y ago
    Lucky you! I do a reboot on my Windows 10 machine every night. I also suffered from intermittent complete and total lockups due to a bug in what I traced to spotify. Similar thing happened with MacOS and safari recently enough too so I stopped using Safari for a while ...
    - AtlasLion 7y ago
      using a Lenovo P50 with windows 10 for 2 years now, I only reboot it maybe once a month, for the rest, I close the lid, it goes to sleep, next day in the office, I open the lid and continue where I stopped. so far I have had zero issues with it.
      - rusk 7y ago
        That's how I use my mac. Sad to say I've never had that experience with Windows but then again, I've never had a Lenovo ...
        monocasa 7y ago
        What kind of machine do you have?
        rusk 7y ago
        Why do you ask?
        monocasa 7y ago
        To take your anecdote in context.
        rusk 7y ago
        You think I’m making it up or something?
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  - wazoox 7y ago
    Not my experience. I used mostly Linux for 15 years, and I had zero problems with laptops, external screens and suspend in the past 8 years. I have a Linux laptop that's used for demo hooked up to a TV, settings are changed from dual screen to mirroring all the time, then it goes to sleep, is woken up with the TV off, etc, zero trouble, it hadn't rebooted in 2 months. And Windows still requires random reboots for updates, of course usually at the worst possible time (fortunately I only use windows in VMs for testing). God how I hate Windows, it's unbearable really, after 5 minutes at the third nagging stupid popup (update Java! update Acrobat! update antivirus! don't turn off the computer, installing update 2 on 10532!) I want to throw the thing out of the window :)
    - barrkel 7y ago
      I've been using Linux since 1996; not wet behind the ears. Graphics drivers are substantially worse on Linux than Windows, and even on Windows they're still the main source of problems. A mix of dock and undock with multiple monitors is dodgy; like rolling a die. Plugging in the display port cable after a resume from a prior docked suspend, for a presentation, is flipping a coin.
      - rusk 7y ago
        A lot of what you say describes a fairly common experience with Windows too. Perhaps not with a Thinkpad maybe but I’ve failed to revive a sleeping windows machine on a few occasions, and switching between output sources can be unpredictable too. Mac is the only platform which consistenly succeeds at these kinds of things because of the vertically integrates hardware. Its the drivers as you say ... I don’t think the actual o/s has much say in it beyond the drivers that are supported.
  - paulcarroty 7y ago
    > Linux is a lot less stable, as a laptop OS, than Windows or OSX. Can't remember any major problems with Linux on laptops for latest 5 years. All works like charm. If you use a cheap/noname/non-popular hardware - it happens, yes, but in Windows world too.
    - barrkel 7y ago
      Lenovo Thinkpad. It's the multi-monitor / dock interaction. It's just not solid.
      - eropple 7y ago
        Which dock do you have? I've had issues with USB-C docks. I've had zero issues over four different Thinkpads (FC28 and FC29) with the Lenovo Thunderbolt dock.
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Daneel_ 7y ago
Genuinely curious - which ergonomics do you mean? Macbooks have objectively terrible keyboards these days, and the lack of dedicated buttons on the trackpad makes two handed trackpad use a royal pain. Yes, the mouse movement is precise, but the trackpad doesn't blow my mind. Old thinkpads with 7-row keyboards had proper ergonomics, to my mind anyway.

rusk 7y ago

In my experience Mac OS still has the edge in terms of stability. But certainly the gap is closing.

barrkel 7y ago
The only crashes I've had from NT kernel over the past 15 years or so are from graphics card drivers and bad RAM. Linux is a lot less stable, as a laptop OS, than Windows or OSX. Suspend and resume in presence and absence of multiple monitors is like rolling dice; locks up about 15% of the time.
- rusk 7y ago
  Lucky you! I do a reboot on my Windows 10 machine every night. I also suffered from intermittent complete and total lockups due to a bug in what I traced to spotify. Similar thing happened with MacOS and safari recently enough too so I stopped using Safari for a while ...
  - AtlasLion 7y ago
    using a Lenovo P50 with windows 10 for 2 years now, I only reboot it maybe once a month, for the rest, I close the lid, it goes to sleep, next day in the office, I open the lid and continue where I stopped. so far I have had zero issues with it.
    - rusk 7y ago
      That's how I use my mac. Sad to say I've never had that experience with Windows but then again, I've never had a Lenovo ...
      - monocasa 7y ago
        What kind of machine do you have?
        rusk 7y ago
        Why do you ask?
        monocasa 7y ago
        To take your anecdote in context.
        rusk 7y ago
        You think I’m making it up or something?
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- wazoox 7y ago
  Not my experience. I used mostly Linux for 15 years, and I had zero problems with laptops, external screens and suspend in the past 8 years. I have a Linux laptop that's used for demo hooked up to a TV, settings are changed from dual screen to mirroring all the time, then it goes to sleep, is woken up with the TV off, etc, zero trouble, it hadn't rebooted in 2 months. And Windows still requires random reboots for updates, of course usually at the worst possible time (fortunately I only use windows in VMs for testing). God how I hate Windows, it's unbearable really, after 5 minutes at the third nagging stupid popup (update Java! update Acrobat! update antivirus! don't turn off the computer, installing update 2 on 10532!) I want to throw the thing out of the window :)
  - barrkel 7y ago
    I've been using Linux since 1996; not wet behind the ears. Graphics drivers are substantially worse on Linux than Windows, and even on Windows they're still the main source of problems. A mix of dock and undock with multiple monitors is dodgy; like rolling a die. Plugging in the display port cable after a resume from a prior docked suspend, for a presentation, is flipping a coin.
    - rusk 7y ago
      A lot of what you say describes a fairly common experience with Windows too. Perhaps not with a Thinkpad maybe but I’ve failed to revive a sleeping windows machine on a few occasions, and switching between output sources can be unpredictable too. Mac is the only platform which consistenly succeeds at these kinds of things because of the vertically integrates hardware. Its the drivers as you say ... I don’t think the actual o/s has much say in it beyond the drivers that are supported.
- paulcarroty 7y ago
  > Linux is a lot less stable, as a laptop OS, than Windows or OSX. Can't remember any major problems with Linux on laptops for latest 5 years. All works like charm. If you use a cheap/noname/non-popular hardware - it happens, yes, but in Windows world too.
  - barrkel 7y ago
    Lenovo Thinkpad. It's the multi-monitor / dock interaction. It's just not solid.
    - eropple 7y ago
      Which dock do you have? I've had issues with USB-C docks. I've had zero issues over four different Thinkpads (FC28 and FC29) with the Lenovo Thunderbolt dock.

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Daneel_ 7y ago

Genuinely curious - which ergonomics do you mean? Macbooks have objectively terrible keyboards these days, and the lack of dedicated buttons on the trackpad makes two handed trackpad use a royal pain. Yes, the mouse movement is precise, but the trackpad doesn't blow my mind. Old thinkpads with 7-row keyboards had proper ergonomics, to my mind anyway.