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I don’t understand the hate. Is there an example where Apple has not delivered on their promise?

by baxtr 7y ago

efaref 7y ago
iCloud leaks?
- joaomacp 7y ago
  This is not being talked about enough. Have people already forgot about The Fappening? It was one of the nastiest privacy failures for tech companies. I'm impressed with how fast public opinion can change.
- atticmanatee 7y ago
  That was a hack, not them selling your info for the highest bidder.
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  - mqbqi 7y ago
    And also they didn't hack iCloud, they hacked the accounts of those users.
    - tty2300 7y ago
      Which most likely means someone downloaded a leaked database of another website and logged in to icloud because everyone reuses passwords.
      - donkeyd 7y ago
        It was part this, but also big part social engineering. Here's a podcast about it: https://darknetdiaries.com/episode/34/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app https://darknetdiaries.com/episode/34/?utm_source=share&utm_...
      - donarb 7y ago
        No, they were able to hack accounts by knowing personal details about celebrities and guessing the passwords.
  - basch 7y ago
    Is password reuse and phishing hacking now? The software wasnt vulnerable the wetware was.
banachtarski 7y ago
It's all over the place I can't even begin, or do you not see the plethora of ads plaguing apps available in the app store and mobile web. If you think tracking isn't involved, you're sorely mistaken. Apple set the 30% tax for premium goods, and effectively killed the premium market as a result. Google followed suit largely because it aligns with Google's core business. Apple's angle is? Honestly, I have no clue. I'm inclined to think it's incompetency at this point.
- Terretta 7y ago
  > 30% ... Apple’s angle? ... inclined to think it’s incompetency This 30% number is accurate but hardly all tax. First, companies attempting to compete with Steam have found it costs 12% to 18% to just run a digital store, without all the app review, customer discovery & acquisition, hosting and delivery, and ecosystem integration Apple and Steam are doing, much less human support. Second, just a credit card transaction can cost 2.5% - 5% depending on the customer behavior. On a percentage take versus value provided, that seems much worse than the store cost, and it’s a huge chunk of the store cost. Third, Apple lowers the recurring publishing, hosting, transaction, and support fee in year 2+ to 15%, still including the credit card processing. It’d be incredibly difficult to operate a trusted digital app sales ecosystem (with human app review and support, refunds, etc.) at scale with less overhead.
  - JeffL 7y ago
    That's a very good rebuttal, but it doesn't address the point that the premium apps are forced to shoulder more than their share of the load for operating the app store, right? Would there be some way for Apple to charge apps for tracking or running in-app adds?
    - pwinnski 7y ago
      They offered an ad service some years back, but their insistence on privacy made their ad service uncompetitive, so it folded. They've been focused on privacy for a long time, and developers running terrible ads is despite Apple's efforts, not because of them.

I don’t understand the hate. Is there an example where Apple has not delivered on their promise?

by baxtr 7y ago

I don’t understand the hate. Is there an example where Apple has not delivered on their promise?

efaref 7y ago

iCloud leaks?

joaomacp 7y ago
This is not being talked about enough. Have people already forgot about The Fappening? It was one of the nastiest privacy failures for tech companies. I'm impressed with how fast public opinion can change.
atticmanatee 7y ago
That was a hack, not them selling your info for the highest bidder.
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- mqbqi 7y ago
  And also they didn't hack iCloud, they hacked the accounts of those users.
  - tty2300 7y ago
    Which most likely means someone downloaded a leaked database of another website and logged in to icloud because everyone reuses passwords.
    - donkeyd 7y ago
      It was part this, but also big part social engineering. Here's a podcast about it: https://darknetdiaries.com/episode/34/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app https://darknetdiaries.com/episode/34/?utm_source=share&utm_...
    - donarb 7y ago
      No, they were able to hack accounts by knowing personal details about celebrities and guessing the passwords.
- basch 7y ago
  Is password reuse and phishing hacking now? The software wasnt vulnerable the wetware was.

banachtarski 7y ago

It's all over the place I can't even begin, or do you not see the plethora of ads plaguing apps available in the app store and mobile web. If you think tracking isn't involved, you're sorely mistaken. Apple set the 30% tax for premium goods, and effectively killed the premium market as a result. Google followed suit largely because it aligns with Google's core business. Apple's angle is? Honestly, I have no clue. I'm inclined to think it's incompetency at this point.

Terretta 7y ago
> 30% ... Apple’s angle? ... inclined to think it’s incompetency This 30% number is accurate but hardly all tax. First, companies attempting to compete with Steam have found it costs 12% to 18% to just run a digital store, without all the app review, customer discovery & acquisition, hosting and delivery, and ecosystem integration Apple and Steam are doing, much less human support. Second, just a credit card transaction can cost 2.5% - 5% depending on the customer behavior. On a percentage take versus value provided, that seems much worse than the store cost, and it’s a huge chunk of the store cost. Third, Apple lowers the recurring publishing, hosting, transaction, and support fee in year 2+ to 15%, still including the credit card processing. It’d be incredibly difficult to operate a trusted digital app sales ecosystem (with human app review and support, refunds, etc.) at scale with less overhead.
- JeffL 7y ago
  That's a very good rebuttal, but it doesn't address the point that the premium apps are forced to shoulder more than their share of the load for operating the app store, right? Would there be some way for Apple to charge apps for tracking or running in-app adds?
  - pwinnski 7y ago
    They offered an ad service some years back, but their insistence on privacy made their ad service uncompetitive, so it folded. They've been focused on privacy for a long time, and developers running terrible ads is despite Apple's efforts, not because of them.