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Still they were/are part of PRISM so keep in mind that the privacy offered depends by various U.S agencies.

pulse7 7y ago
Yes - they were part of it - and they are saying "What happens on your iPhone, stays on your iPhone."... so they are effectively lying... It would be better not to say anything...
- marvin 7y ago
  They're constantly pushing you to upload your data to ICloud as well -- I apparently must have consented to upload an entire backup of my phone there recently, because I can't remember saying yes to this, but there it is. So even if my data was private while it was on my phone, it's not any more.
  - scarface74 7y ago
    There is nothing forcing you to back up to iCloud and yes it does ask you. You can still as of now back up using iTunes.
    - saagarjha 7y ago
      Or not back up at all, if you like making poor choices.
    - deleted 7y ago
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- gnode 7y ago
  I took this to mean: we can't legally guarantee your privacy for anything not on your own device; nobody can. Their claim seems to be that private data is kept on the device (from https://www.apple.com/privacy/ https://www.apple.com/privacy/ ), and protected by encryption within the user's control. By designing the software such that private data stays on the device, it can't be gotten without targeted physical access (and perhaps coercing the user's passcode from them), rather than scooping up everyone's data from the cloud, unbeknownst to the users, and unauditable to security researchers. That said, I'm not sure how much trust I'd place in Apple, but at least this security model is to some extent auditable.
nabla9 7y ago
Privacy is not all or nothing issue. If you have privacy against commercial use but not against various U.S. agencies that's better than nothing. Any service where you can reset your password/token that is known only to you after you lose it is not safe from government warrant. It can still be safe from mass collection like PRISM.
- throwayEngineer 7y ago
  I imagine in 5 years it will have moved to- Apple only uses your data with companies you enjoy.
- thefounder 7y ago
  I agree though I believe the abuse of privacy rights by the government is the worst kind of the two, capable of inflicting the greatest damage.

Yes - they were part of it - and they are saying "What happens on your iPhone, stays on your iPhone."... so they are effectively lying... It would be better not to say anything...

marvin 7y ago
They're constantly pushing you to upload your data to ICloud as well -- I apparently must have consented to upload an entire backup of my phone there recently, because I can't remember saying yes to this, but there it is. So even if my data was private while it was on my phone, it's not any more.
- scarface74 7y ago
  There is nothing forcing you to back up to iCloud and yes it does ask you. You can still as of now back up using iTunes.
  - saagarjha 7y ago
    Or not back up at all, if you like making poor choices.
  - deleted 7y ago
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gnode 7y ago
I took this to mean: we can't legally guarantee your privacy for anything not on your own device; nobody can. Their claim seems to be that private data is kept on the device (from https://www.apple.com/privacy/ https://www.apple.com/privacy/ ), and protected by encryption within the user's control. By designing the software such that private data stays on the device, it can't be gotten without targeted physical access (and perhaps coercing the user's passcode from them), rather than scooping up everyone's data from the cloud, unbeknownst to the users, and unauditable to security researchers. That said, I'm not sure how much trust I'd place in Apple, but at least this security model is to some extent auditable.

nabla9 7y ago

Privacy is not all or nothing issue. If you have privacy against commercial use but not against various U.S. agencies that's better than nothing. Any service where you can reset your password/token that is known only to you after you lose it is not safe from government warrant. It can still be safe from mass collection like PRISM.

throwayEngineer 7y ago
I imagine in 5 years it will have moved to- Apple only uses your data with companies you enjoy.
thefounder 7y ago
I agree though I believe the abuse of privacy rights by the government is the worst kind of the two, capable of inflicting the greatest damage.