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I think its still fine, as long as someone can afford it. We can't ask them to be fair its just take it or leave it. These days privacy is a luxury, rather than

I think its still fine, as long as someone can afford it. We can't ask them to be fair its just take it or leave it. These days privacy is a luxury, rather than a fundamental right.

wereHamster 7y ago
> These days privacy is a luxury, rather than a fundamental right. The EU things differently. For us privacy is very much a fundamental right, such as right for access to clean water/air, right for free access to information (internet) etc.
- loriverkutya 7y ago
  Last time I checked Facebook was still selling our data to Cambridge Analytics and whoever they wanted to and tracking us around the whole internet. So on paper it is, in practice not so much.
- xvector 7y ago
  And yet Google and Facebook still regularly invade privacy and build shadow profiles of users.
  - wereHamster 7y ago
    We have laws against murder and yet people commit it all the time. What kind of argument are you trying to make? Both Google and Facebook have been hit with lawsuits in the EU. The laws are there and companies violating them are being punished. One could argue that the punishment is not large enough, if companies still repeatedly violate the laws. It'll take some time though until we see whether companies change their stance on privacy. One company which doesn't need any 'encouragement' is Apple, that's pretty clear now.
    - stef25 7y ago
      Did anything ever come of this? https://www.reuters.com/article/us-facebook-belgium/facebook-loses-belgian-privacy-case-faces-fine-of-up-to-125-million-idUSKCN1G01LG https://www.reuters.com/article/us-facebook-belgium/facebook...
  - afiori 7y ago
    Whether what they are doing is legal or will go unpunished remains to be discovered. In the meanwhile there is a considerable increase in public awareness of (e.g.) how creepy facebook is (I know that the biggest facebook competitor is instagram, but there is a real difference between how people interact with the two platforms and also in expectations on how much public your profile and post are)
    - stef25 7y ago
      > In the meanwhile there is a considerable increase in public awareness of (e.g.) how creepy facebook is Every non tech person I know has some notion of FB being creepy but not a single one has changed their online behavior in any way. Everyone cares until it's actually time to delete your account.
      - rahoulb 7y ago
        Anecdotal I know, but I know of several people who now refuse to install the Facebook app on their phones (instead using the website) because they don't want "Facebook listening in on their conversations"
  - GTP 7y ago
    Yes, but they have been already fined in the past and law enforcement is keeping an eye on them. This could be better of course, but keep in mind that the GDPR is still a new thing and enforcing it requires time.
- eklavyaa 7y ago
  In some countries clean water/air and internet are still luxury my friend
- stef25 7y ago
  > privacy is very much a fundamental right Looks good on paper but in reality what's being done about it? Apart from a few token court cases. People are still dumping their data wholesale in to social networks and EU is mostly powerless when faced with these companies (FB, Google). > right for access to clean water/air Here in Brussels you can't throw a rock without hitting 10 diesel cars that come with almost every desk job and include free diesel no questions asked. They spend most of their time sitting in some of the worst traffic in Europe. Air quality is constantly at the worst end of the scale, both indoors and outdoors and takes years off your life. At the same time there's more and more calls for regulation of Lime scooters. EU cares but mostly just pats itself on the back for churning out reports.

I think its still fine, as long as someone can afford it. We can't ask them to be fair its just take it or leave it. These days privacy is a luxury, rather than a fundamental right.

wereHamster 7y ago

> These days privacy is a luxury, rather than a fundamental right. The EU things differently. For us privacy is very much a fundamental right, such as right for access to clean water/air, right for free access to information (internet) etc.

loriverkutya 7y ago
Last time I checked Facebook was still selling our data to Cambridge Analytics and whoever they wanted to and tracking us around the whole internet. So on paper it is, in practice not so much.
xvector 7y ago
And yet Google and Facebook still regularly invade privacy and build shadow profiles of users.
- wereHamster 7y ago
  We have laws against murder and yet people commit it all the time. What kind of argument are you trying to make? Both Google and Facebook have been hit with lawsuits in the EU. The laws are there and companies violating them are being punished. One could argue that the punishment is not large enough, if companies still repeatedly violate the laws. It'll take some time though until we see whether companies change their stance on privacy. One company which doesn't need any 'encouragement' is Apple, that's pretty clear now.
  - stef25 7y ago
    Did anything ever come of this? https://www.reuters.com/article/us-facebook-belgium/facebook-loses-belgian-privacy-case-faces-fine-of-up-to-125-million-idUSKCN1G01LG https://www.reuters.com/article/us-facebook-belgium/facebook...
- afiori 7y ago
  Whether what they are doing is legal or will go unpunished remains to be discovered. In the meanwhile there is a considerable increase in public awareness of (e.g.) how creepy facebook is (I know that the biggest facebook competitor is instagram, but there is a real difference between how people interact with the two platforms and also in expectations on how much public your profile and post are)
  - stef25 7y ago
    > In the meanwhile there is a considerable increase in public awareness of (e.g.) how creepy facebook is Every non tech person I know has some notion of FB being creepy but not a single one has changed their online behavior in any way. Everyone cares until it's actually time to delete your account.
    - rahoulb 7y ago
      Anecdotal I know, but I know of several people who now refuse to install the Facebook app on their phones (instead using the website) because they don't want "Facebook listening in on their conversations"
- GTP 7y ago
  Yes, but they have been already fined in the past and law enforcement is keeping an eye on them. This could be better of course, but keep in mind that the GDPR is still a new thing and enforcing it requires time.
eklavyaa 7y ago
In some countries clean water/air and internet are still luxury my friend
stef25 7y ago
> privacy is very much a fundamental right Looks good on paper but in reality what's being done about it? Apart from a few token court cases. People are still dumping their data wholesale in to social networks and EU is mostly powerless when faced with these companies (FB, Google). > right for access to clean water/air Here in Brussels you can't throw a rock without hitting 10 diesel cars that come with almost every desk job and include free diesel no questions asked. They spend most of their time sitting in some of the worst traffic in Europe. Air quality is constantly at the worst end of the scale, both indoors and outdoors and takes years off your life. At the same time there's more and more calls for regulation of Lime scooters. EU cares but mostly just pats itself on the back for churning out reports.