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> does it matter? It matters if they return to China with their American education and: -engage in nation-state attacks on behalf of the PLA [1], or -build f
by toomanyrichies 7y ago
> does it matter?
It matters if they return to China with their American education and:
-engage in nation-state attacks on behalf of the PLA [1], or
-build facial-recognition software to further repress the Uyghur community [2], or
-contribute to the "social credit" system which makes it next-to-impossible for everyday Chinese to express anything other than unvarnished support of the ruling party [3], or
-eavesdrop on advocates for democracy in Hong Kong [4], or
-build advanced weapons systems that are then installed on newly-constructed islands in the South China Sea [5], or
-conduct industrial espionage on behalf of Chinese companies with key government contacts or PLA-connected C-level execs [6], or
-participate in advanced research projects like quantum satellites which could give China a persistent strategic advantage against the NSA [7], or
-install facial recognition technology in primary-school and middle-school classrooms to enhance indoctrination methods at an earlier age [8], or
-any other number of future scenarios we haven't even discussed.
I'm not saying every overseas Chinese student fits this description. While living in Shanghai for almost 6 years, I encountered quite a few that were open to democratic ideals and skeptical of their government's propaganda. However, there is also a non-trivial amount of nationalism among everyday Chinese, and the CCP is capable of directing it against the US anytime it sees fit, through its monopoly of mainland media outlets (and increasingly, non-mainland ones as well) [9].
I don't pretend to have a solution to this problem. But I think it may be short-sighted to expect Chinese students to be wooed by the wonders of democracy after a short-term study-abroad program in a country whose democracy is flawed at best.
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Sources:
[1] https://www.cbronline.com/what-is/what-is-pla-unit-61398-and-who-are-the-five-chinese-hackers-4271980/ https://www.cbronline.com/what-is/what-is-pla-unit-61398-and...
[2] https://www.theguardian.com/news/2019/apr/11/china-hi-tech-war-on-muslim-minority-xinjiang-uighurs-surveillance-face-recognition https://www.theguardian.com/news/2019/apr/11/china-hi-tech-w...
[3] https://www.businessinsider.com/china-social-credit-system-punishments-and-rewards-explained-2018-4/ https://www.businessinsider.com/china-social-credit-system-p...
[4] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mass_surveillance_in_China#Hong_Kong https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mass_surveillance_in_China#Hon...
[5] https://futurism.com/the-byte/australia-chinese-lasers-military-pilots https://futurism.com/the-byte/australia-chinese-lasers-milit...
[6] https://www.globaldots.com/chinese-spying-chips-found-hidden-on-servers-used-by-us-companies/ https://www.globaldots.com/chinese-spying-chips-found-hidden...
[7] https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2017/06/china-s-quantum-satellite-achieves-spooky-action-record-distance https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2017/06/china-s-quantum-sate...
[8] https://www.businessinsider.com/china-school-facial-recognition-technology-2018-5 https://www.businessinsider.com/china-school-facial-recognit...
[9] https://freedomhouse.org/report/special-reports/speak-no-evil-mass-media-control-contemporary-china https://freedomhouse.org/report/special-reports/speak-no-evi...
- kevin_thibedeau 7y agoEvery one of your scenarios has an American analog. You're basically reading off the script of the two minutes hate.
- mistermann 7y agoThis doesn't seem true, can you provide examples?
- inflatableDodo 7y agoWe have always been at war with Eastasia.
- toomanyrichies 7y agoNot sure what “two minutes hate” refers to, but whether there is an American analog or not is irrelevant. Or at least, it’s irrelevant from the perspective of the American foreign policy officials who craft the student visa rules which we’re discussing.
- inflatableDodo 7y ago>"Not sure what “two minutes hate” refers to" When discussing foreign policy officials and visa rules, Orwell is probably going to come up fairly regularly as a common point of reference. Is from the book 1984.
- armenarmen 7y ago> Not sure what “two minutes hate” refers to 1984
- ninkendo 7y agoWhat’s the American analog of the social credit system?
- freeflight 7y agoSecretive terrorist watch lists managed by ML [0] For a more overt manifestation, just take a look at how the US treats ex-convicts: Public shaming by releasing mug-shots, some states even revoking their right to vote among other rights, de-facto turning them into second-grade citizens for life. [0] https://theintercept.com/2018/12/03/air-travel-surveillance-homeland-security/ https://theintercept.com/2018/12/03/air-travel-surveillance-...