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The ability to run on my phone seems like an important feature.

basch 7y ago
Are you their customer? Do you buy their products? If not, then no you're not important. Their business model is to serve their paying customers.
- damnyou 7y ago
  Many people use devices from several ecosystems.
  - basch 7y ago
    I have an android and iphone but realistically how many people have one of each phone?
    - damnyou 7y ago
      People don't use Windows and iPhone at the same time? Or Mac and Android? or Android and iPad?
      - basch 7y ago
        The conversation was "The ability to run on my phone seems like an important feature." Either you have an iPhone or you dont. Sure they might have an ipad and imac and an android phone. I suppose thats possible. But at that point, you are the exact kind of customer this business model is designed to get to switch over to the full ecosystem. Are we really arguing if the "Sign in with apple" button will work on websites from chrome on windows? If apple wants to be an identity provider, their web sso will work everywhere. Or are we talking about iMessage, the flagship iPhone app, not working on android phones? Apple will lose more customers to Android, who only want an iPhone for iMessage, than they will gain.
        damnyou 7y ago
        We're talking at different levels. You keep repeating obvious facts everyone already knows as if they're novel, and I keep pointing about that all those facts clearly imply that Apple wants to make money off of you through abusive lock-in practices. (I really doubt the sign in with Apple button is going to be available in Android apps. If you create an account with the button, it becomes ever so harder to switch to Android. How convenient for Apple.) I don't think continuing this discussion is helpful. Have a nice day.
        basch 7y ago
        I agree, after making an account with the button, you are stuck with Apple forever. If the sign in id buttons are not cross platform, thats abusive lock-in. The create account button might not be available on android apps, but hopefully the sign in sso buttons works. Maybe identity portability will become law someday, like cell number portability and being able to change your address at the post office.
- noelsusman 7y ago
  I own several Apple products. My 2015 MBP is my primary computing device outside of work. I am a paying customer, and this service is useless to me unless I replace every device I own with an Apple device. I couldn't do that even if I actually wanted to.

Are you their customer? Do you buy their products? If not, then no you're not important. Their business model is to serve their paying customers.

damnyou 7y ago
Many people use devices from several ecosystems.
- basch 7y ago
  I have an android and iphone but realistically how many people have one of each phone?
  - damnyou 7y ago
    People don't use Windows and iPhone at the same time? Or Mac and Android? or Android and iPad?
    - basch 7y ago
      The conversation was "The ability to run on my phone seems like an important feature." Either you have an iPhone or you dont. Sure they might have an ipad and imac and an android phone. I suppose thats possible. But at that point, you are the exact kind of customer this business model is designed to get to switch over to the full ecosystem. Are we really arguing if the "Sign in with apple" button will work on websites from chrome on windows? If apple wants to be an identity provider, their web sso will work everywhere. Or are we talking about iMessage, the flagship iPhone app, not working on android phones? Apple will lose more customers to Android, who only want an iPhone for iMessage, than they will gain.
      - damnyou 7y ago
        We're talking at different levels. You keep repeating obvious facts everyone already knows as if they're novel, and I keep pointing about that all those facts clearly imply that Apple wants to make money off of you through abusive lock-in practices. (I really doubt the sign in with Apple button is going to be available in Android apps. If you create an account with the button, it becomes ever so harder to switch to Android. How convenient for Apple.) I don't think continuing this discussion is helpful. Have a nice day.
        basch 7y ago
        I agree, after making an account with the button, you are stuck with Apple forever. If the sign in id buttons are not cross platform, thats abusive lock-in. The create account button might not be available on android apps, but hopefully the sign in sso buttons works. Maybe identity portability will become law someday, like cell number portability and being able to change your address at the post office.
noelsusman 7y ago
I own several Apple products. My 2015 MBP is my primary computing device outside of work. I am a paying customer, and this service is useless to me unless I replace every device I own with an Apple device. I couldn't do that even if I actually wanted to.