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Under another administration (either Democratic or Republican) it might be reasonable to accept this explanation. The problem with this administration is that "

Under another administration (either Democratic or Republican) it might be reasonable to accept this explanation. The problem with this administration is that "assume this decision is being made by career employees acting with no political self-interest" has not proven to be a good betting position.

mwfunk 7y ago
In fact, Occam’s Razor would suggest that any action taken by this administration should be assumed to be politically motivated, barring evidence to the contrary. Especially since the current administration has always been very vocally hostile to any sort of regulatory or antitrust action.
- creaghpatr 7y ago
  The house judiciary committee is democrat-controlled, so at the very least it's a bipartisan investigation(s). Both parties have spoken out on antitrust (if only for separate, self-interested purposes). https://www.cnn.com/2019/06/03/tech/tech-antitrust-house-probe/index.html https://www.cnn.com/2019/06/03/tech/tech-antitrust-house-pro... >The Democratic-led investigation comes as the Justice Department and the Federal Trade Commission are taking their first steps toward a potential probe of their own into Google, according to three people familiar with the matter. Regulators have negotiated to divide oversight of the tech industry between the two agencies in recent weeks, these people said. The two agencies have also reportedly split up oversight of Amazon, Apple and Facebook.
- cabaalis 7y ago
  I try very hard to give some grace to the "Trump bad in everything" that I hear so much. However, his moronic tweets aside, I see nothing more than normal politicking, and right-of-center governance. The biggest flaw I see is the inability to admit and correct policy problems, which is absolutely not unique to President Trump.
  - Nasrudith 7y ago
    Privatized child cages for the explicit reason of brutalizing those applying for asylum are normal right of center governance? Calling an investigation which found numerous cases of foreign involvement a coup? I think you might be suffering from severe change blindness.
    - inflatableDodo 7y ago
      Nonsense, everything is normal. Look; >"I believe that if people stoped[sic] using or subscribing to @ATT, they would be forced to make big changes at @CNN, which is dying in the ratings anyway. It is so unfair with such bad, Fake News! Why wouldn’t they act. When the World watches @CNN, it gets a false picture of USA. Sad!" — Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) June 3, 2019 https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1135499002626154496 https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/11354990026261544...
      - cabaalis 7y ago
        Trump just does it on Twitter. https://mediadecoder.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/09/28/obama-says-fox-news-promotes-destructive-viewpoint/ https://mediadecoder.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/09/28/obama-says... https://www.nytimes.com/2009/10/12/business/media/12fox.html?pagewanted=all https://www.nytimes.com/2009/10/12/business/media/12fox.html... https://www.thenation.com/article/bushs-war-press/ https://www.thenation.com/article/bushs-war-press/
        inflatableDodo 7y ago
        I know, that is why I said that everything is normal. I am in complete agreement that all of those examples make Donald Trump appear quite normal. This is because Donald Trump is an ordinary president in a very normal way.
  - inscionent 7y ago
    Keep those blinders up
  - 7y ago
JumpCrisscross 7y ago
> Under another administration (either Democratic or Republican) it might be reasonable to accept this explanation The House Judiciary Committee, chaired by a Manhattan Democrat, is also investigating. I have to say I'm surprised by the anger on this forum in response to these investigations. Yes, a lot of us butter our bread from big tech. And yes, there are other antitrust targets in the country. (There are always other targets.) But for years, comments about the lawlessness and recklessness of these companies have been raised. When I--and others--raised the possibility of a response, through regulators, the courts and the legislature, the possibility was met with derision. Now that we have progress on the investigations, there is a mixture of (a) allegations of partisanship, (b) whataboutism and (c) a general tone of hostility around the motivations of those pursuing these investigations.
- oceanplexian 7y ago
  > Yes, a lot of us butter our bread from big tech. And yes, there are other antitrust targets in the country. I would argue the opposite for people in our industry. If Google, Apple, and/or Amazon have truly been acting in anti-competitive fashion, it's likely they have stifled natural competition, which would probably drive up wages (See the Apple/Google Poaching scandal). It's also likely more of us would be starting small businesses without company run walled gardens preventing us from doing so.

mwfunk 7y ago

In fact, Occam’s Razor would suggest that any action taken by this administration should be assumed to be politically motivated, barring evidence to the contrary. Especially since the current administration has always been very vocally hostile to any sort of regulatory or antitrust action.

creaghpatr 7y ago
The house judiciary committee is democrat-controlled, so at the very least it's a bipartisan investigation(s). Both parties have spoken out on antitrust (if only for separate, self-interested purposes). https://www.cnn.com/2019/06/03/tech/tech-antitrust-house-probe/index.html https://www.cnn.com/2019/06/03/tech/tech-antitrust-house-pro... >The Democratic-led investigation comes as the Justice Department and the Federal Trade Commission are taking their first steps toward a potential probe of their own into Google, according to three people familiar with the matter. Regulators have negotiated to divide oversight of the tech industry between the two agencies in recent weeks, these people said. The two agencies have also reportedly split up oversight of Amazon, Apple and Facebook.
cabaalis 7y ago
I try very hard to give some grace to the "Trump bad in everything" that I hear so much. However, his moronic tweets aside, I see nothing more than normal politicking, and right-of-center governance. The biggest flaw I see is the inability to admit and correct policy problems, which is absolutely not unique to President Trump.
- Nasrudith 7y ago
  Privatized child cages for the explicit reason of brutalizing those applying for asylum are normal right of center governance? Calling an investigation which found numerous cases of foreign involvement a coup? I think you might be suffering from severe change blindness.
  - inflatableDodo 7y ago
    Nonsense, everything is normal. Look; >"I believe that if people stoped[sic] using or subscribing to @ATT, they would be forced to make big changes at @CNN, which is dying in the ratings anyway. It is so unfair with such bad, Fake News! Why wouldn’t they act. When the World watches @CNN, it gets a false picture of USA. Sad!" — Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) June 3, 2019 https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1135499002626154496 https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/11354990026261544...
    - cabaalis 7y ago
      Trump just does it on Twitter. https://mediadecoder.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/09/28/obama-says-fox-news-promotes-destructive-viewpoint/ https://mediadecoder.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/09/28/obama-says... https://www.nytimes.com/2009/10/12/business/media/12fox.html?pagewanted=all https://www.nytimes.com/2009/10/12/business/media/12fox.html... https://www.thenation.com/article/bushs-war-press/ https://www.thenation.com/article/bushs-war-press/
      - inflatableDodo 7y ago
        I know, that is why I said that everything is normal. I am in complete agreement that all of those examples make Donald Trump appear quite normal. This is because Donald Trump is an ordinary president in a very normal way.
- inscionent 7y ago
  Keep those blinders up
- 7y ago

JumpCrisscross 7y ago

> Under another administration (either Democratic or Republican) it might be reasonable to accept this explanation The House Judiciary Committee, chaired by a Manhattan Democrat, is also investigating. I have to say I'm surprised by the anger on this forum in response to these investigations. Yes, a lot of us butter our bread from big tech. And yes, there are other antitrust targets in the country. (There are always other targets.) But for years, comments about the lawlessness and recklessness of these companies have been raised. When I--and others--raised the possibility of a response, through regulators, the courts and the legislature, the possibility was met with derision. Now that we have progress on the investigations, there is a mixture of (a) allegations of partisanship, (b) whataboutism and (c) a general tone of hostility around the motivations of those pursuing these investigations.

oceanplexian 7y ago
> Yes, a lot of us butter our bread from big tech. And yes, there are other antitrust targets in the country. I would argue the opposite for people in our industry. If Google, Apple, and/or Amazon have truly been acting in anti-competitive fashion, it's likely they have stifled natural competition, which would probably drive up wages (See the Apple/Google Poaching scandal). It's also likely more of us would be starting small businesses without company run walled gardens preventing us from doing so.