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I think you're right on the comparison for the monitor. Dell has a monitor that's nowhere near as bright with nowhere near as good of a contrast ratio for about

I think you're right on the comparison for the monitor. Dell has a monitor that's nowhere near as bright with nowhere near as good of a contrast ratio for about the same price as Apple's: https://www.dell.com/en-us/work/shop/dell-ultrasharp-32-8k-monitor-up3218k/apd/210-alez/monitors-monitor-accessories https://www.dell.com/en-us/work/shop/dell-ultrasharp-32-8k-m...

thefounder 7y ago
You forgot to say that Dell is an 8k monitor(Apple is only 6k), 1-2 years old, cheaper by far than Apple's pro display. Don't mention the stand.
- freehunter 7y ago
  But I did say far less bright with far lower contrast ratio, which matters more for the audience they targeted in the keynote.
  - thefounder 7y ago
    What about Sony's infinite contrast? I wonder why they didn't mention it...at best this is an overpriced monitor with different trade-offs(i.e lower resolution than dell, hdr, higher price etc) but has little to do with Sony pro displays. They compare a consumer led display with a pro oled to justify the ridiculous price.
    - freehunter 7y ago
      Sony's "infinite contrast" is on their OLED screens and is a marketing gimmick for consumers that graphic professionals can see straight through. Plus OLED has problems with accurate color representation over time along with screen burn-in. The infinite contrast talks about OLED's ability to turn off pixels if they're black, but if they're very very dark grey the argument falls to pieces. OLED is great for consumers. This isn't a consumer device. Dell's screen is great for the existing graphic design world. Apple's new screen is better. I'm honestly baffled by your statement that this is a consumer display. I have absolutely no idea what gave you that opinion, especially considering the price. It absolutely is not. You can make the argument that the stand and VESA mount are overpriced (they are) but the monitor itself exists in a world that desperately needs it.
      - thefounder 7y ago
        Just listen to yourself! In a few words you said that the $40.000 pro monitor that Apple used as reference in their comparison is a marketing gimmick for consumers while this Apple LED is what pro users actually need. You know that Sony offered LEDs before the upgrade to OLED, right? How is this 6K display better for 8K content than Dell's 8K monitor? You know you can get HDR on plenty of 4K displays, right? It's a LED, has HDR but lower resolution than Dell's flagship. To sum it up it's just a an overpriced LED with different trade-offs. Sony is really in a different league. Apple used it just to justify its non-8K overpriced LED.
        laughinghan 7y ago
        In a few words you said that the $40.000 pro monitor that Apple used as reference in their comparison is a marketing gimmick for consumers I think the comment you're replying to called Sony's "infinite contrast" OLEDs a "marketing gimmick for consumers". This Sony BRAVIA OLED is listed for <$2,000: https://www.newegg.com/p/16C-0006-00183?Description=sony%20oled&cm_re=sony_oled-_-16C-0006-00183-_-Product https://www.newegg.com/p/16C-0006-00183?Description=sony%20o... That seems like a consumer price point to me.
        thefounder 7y ago
        Maybe you should look at the Pro displays instead of some consumer TVs? Btw Apple said other lies there too(i.e that Sony sells only small<17"> pro displays). You may also wonder why Apple put an OLED display on its flagship phone instead of a LED one. Prediction: next Apple display will be OLED and they will make it sound like they invented it or are first to use this tech...just like they did with Apple TV 4K(even if 4K was already old/common tech at that time) https://www.marcotec-shop.com/en/sony-bvm-x300-oled-monitor-7783.html https://www.marcotec-shop.com/en/sony-bvm-x300-oled-monitor-... https://pro.sony/en_FI/products/broadcast-monitors/pro-monitors-explained#MEAE101720ChooseYourMonitor-pro-monitors-explained https://pro.sony/en_FI/products/broadcast-monitors/pro-monit...
        7y ago

thefounder 7y ago

You forgot to say that Dell is an 8k monitor(Apple is only 6k), 1-2 years old, cheaper by far than Apple's pro display. Don't mention the stand.

freehunter 7y ago
But I did say far less bright with far lower contrast ratio, which matters more for the audience they targeted in the keynote.
- thefounder 7y ago
  What about Sony's infinite contrast? I wonder why they didn't mention it...at best this is an overpriced monitor with different trade-offs(i.e lower resolution than dell, hdr, higher price etc) but has little to do with Sony pro displays. They compare a consumer led display with a pro oled to justify the ridiculous price.
  - freehunter 7y ago
    Sony's "infinite contrast" is on their OLED screens and is a marketing gimmick for consumers that graphic professionals can see straight through. Plus OLED has problems with accurate color representation over time along with screen burn-in. The infinite contrast talks about OLED's ability to turn off pixels if they're black, but if they're very very dark grey the argument falls to pieces. OLED is great for consumers. This isn't a consumer device. Dell's screen is great for the existing graphic design world. Apple's new screen is better. I'm honestly baffled by your statement that this is a consumer display. I have absolutely no idea what gave you that opinion, especially considering the price. It absolutely is not. You can make the argument that the stand and VESA mount are overpriced (they are) but the monitor itself exists in a world that desperately needs it.
    - thefounder 7y ago
      Just listen to yourself! In a few words you said that the $40.000 pro monitor that Apple used as reference in their comparison is a marketing gimmick for consumers while this Apple LED is what pro users actually need. You know that Sony offered LEDs before the upgrade to OLED, right? How is this 6K display better for 8K content than Dell's 8K monitor? You know you can get HDR on plenty of 4K displays, right? It's a LED, has HDR but lower resolution than Dell's flagship. To sum it up it's just a an overpriced LED with different trade-offs. Sony is really in a different league. Apple used it just to justify its non-8K overpriced LED.
      - laughinghan 7y ago
        In a few words you said that the $40.000 pro monitor that Apple used as reference in their comparison is a marketing gimmick for consumers I think the comment you're replying to called Sony's "infinite contrast" OLEDs a "marketing gimmick for consumers". This Sony BRAVIA OLED is listed for <$2,000: https://www.newegg.com/p/16C-0006-00183?Description=sony%20oled&cm_re=sony_oled-_-16C-0006-00183-_-Product https://www.newegg.com/p/16C-0006-00183?Description=sony%20o... That seems like a consumer price point to me.
        thefounder 7y ago
        Maybe you should look at the Pro displays instead of some consumer TVs? Btw Apple said other lies there too(i.e that Sony sells only small<17"> pro displays). You may also wonder why Apple put an OLED display on its flagship phone instead of a LED one. Prediction: next Apple display will be OLED and they will make it sound like they invented it or are first to use this tech...just like they did with Apple TV 4K(even if 4K was already old/common tech at that time) https://www.marcotec-shop.com/en/sony-bvm-x300-oled-monitor-7783.html https://www.marcotec-shop.com/en/sony-bvm-x300-oled-monitor-... https://pro.sony/en_FI/products/broadcast-monitors/pro-monitors-explained#MEAE101720ChooseYourMonitor-pro-monitors-explained https://pro.sony/en_FI/products/broadcast-monitors/pro-monit...
        7y ago