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yeah but once you learn it, you'll retain the knowledge

stcredzero 7y ago
yeah but once you learn it, you'll retain the knowledge Pretty much the attitude of people learning Windows or MacOS in the late 90's. ("literacy") It's gone from having to win an audience in the early iOS days, to firmly having the audience in the company's grasp.
- jordache 7y ago
  what's the solution? not implement multi-finger gestures due to complexity and just omit the feature altogether? I'd rather have those capabilities? My drawing apps on iOS all have tons of multi-touch gestures. I appreciate they are there.
  - stcredzero 7y ago
    what's the solution? Who says the situation needs solving? I'm just providing perspective. I'd rather have those capabilities? My drawing apps on iOS all have tons of multi-touch gestures. I appreciate they are there. That's the same attitude people had about Ctrl and Alt key shortcuts and power user features and function keys.
    - jordache 7y ago
      >Who says the situation needs solving? Of course it needs to be solved. You have finite screen real estate. Lack of physical buttons. Multi-touch gestures is a natural space for user input.
  - ben_w 7y ago
    Making things discoverable and easy to learn is an art in its own right, completely separate to the art of programming.
    - b1daly 7y ago
      Well yeah, but don’t you think this is exceptionally hard with a touch screen? Didn’t microsoft try to do this in Windows 8 with little icons in the corners? The problem is that little icons provide only marginally more information, if at all, than the existence of the corner of the screen. It’s a very hard problem and Apple works on it. They have abandoned previous standards on discoverability because of the inherent limitations of a touch interface on a small screen. Sacrificing discoverability for usability is the right choice. I think one issue is that some UI conventions have not been settled on, so I often have to look up how to do something on iOS. The most recent example of this was “shake to undo.” After looking this up, not only did I learn how to undo typing, I also learned why I would occasionally get these inexplicable warning windows asking if I wanted to undo!
    - Grustaf 7y ago
      Yes and few are better at this than Apple

yeah but once you learn it, you'll retain the knowledge Pretty much the attitude of people learning Windows or MacOS in the late 90's. ("literacy") It's gone from having to win an audience in the early iOS days, to firmly having the audience in the company's grasp.

jordache 7y ago
what's the solution? not implement multi-finger gestures due to complexity and just omit the feature altogether? I'd rather have those capabilities? My drawing apps on iOS all have tons of multi-touch gestures. I appreciate they are there.
- stcredzero 7y ago
  what's the solution? Who says the situation needs solving? I'm just providing perspective. I'd rather have those capabilities? My drawing apps on iOS all have tons of multi-touch gestures. I appreciate they are there. That's the same attitude people had about Ctrl and Alt key shortcuts and power user features and function keys.
  - jordache 7y ago
    >Who says the situation needs solving? Of course it needs to be solved. You have finite screen real estate. Lack of physical buttons. Multi-touch gestures is a natural space for user input.
- ben_w 7y ago
  Making things discoverable and easy to learn is an art in its own right, completely separate to the art of programming.
  - b1daly 7y ago
    Well yeah, but don’t you think this is exceptionally hard with a touch screen? Didn’t microsoft try to do this in Windows 8 with little icons in the corners? The problem is that little icons provide only marginally more information, if at all, than the existence of the corner of the screen. It’s a very hard problem and Apple works on it. They have abandoned previous standards on discoverability because of the inherent limitations of a touch interface on a small screen. Sacrificing discoverability for usability is the right choice. I think one issue is that some UI conventions have not been settled on, so I often have to look up how to do something on iOS. The most recent example of this was “shake to undo.” After looking this up, not only did I learn how to undo typing, I also learned why I would occasionally get these inexplicable warning windows asking if I wanted to undo!
  - Grustaf 7y ago
    Yes and few are better at this than Apple