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I only have a degree in this but you know nowadays on Hn anything goes. Regardless if I literally quote wikipedia about the subject, there are people who know b

I only have a degree in this but you know nowadays on Hn anything goes. Regardless if I literally quote wikipedia about the subject, there are people who know better. Based on this, base load is dead, long live solar + wind!

icebraining 7y ago
No offense intended. I did preface by saying I'm no expert. I'm basing my opinion on what I've read by some people, such as: "What we need for this fluctuating renewable energy in the electricity mix is not baseload. Baseload is poison for our electricity transition in Germany," -- Thorsten Herdan, a director general for energy policy at the German Federal Ministry for Economic Affairs and Energy "The idea of there being an average or 'base' electricity load, doesn't make sense. Let alone having this sort of big, slow-changing power station to meet that load," -- CSIRO Energy Director Dr Glenn Platt. "Technology has moved on from base load, and now you want flexible power. And that's what demand management, batteries and pumped hydro is," -- Professor Andrew Blakers, director of the ANU Centre for Sustainable Energy Systems. And reports like Brattle Group's "Advancing Past “Baseload” to a Flexible Grid", and a few more which I have forgotten the name of. And of course, knowing about the tech (IoT and such) that enables real-time communication of energy prices. And finally, my own guess that people will change their behaviour if it hits their wallet. Sorry if I misread or got the arguments wrong.
- StreamBright 7y ago
  None taken. You are quoting politicians and their wishful thinking here. Of course, they say what you want to hear. I could answer you by writing a very lengthy essay, but I do not have the time or motivation to do that. Instead, if what they are saying is true why does Germany has 7 outs of 10 of the worst CO2 producing sources in the EU all of them are coal power plants? https://infographic.statista.com/normal/chartoftheday_17582_megatonnes_of_co2_equivalent_in_the_eu_n.jpg https://infographic.statista.com/normal/chartoftheday_17582_... The answer is: German mass hysteria made the country to turn off its nuclear power plants (you know, the other type of base load power plant that does not produce CO2) while not having any other option because renewables are not going to give you enough power. As a result they run on coal. Lets add to the mix of the price of doing that: https://ibb.co/rvJ1Wb2 https://ibb.co/rvJ1Wb2 So to sum it up, Germany produces the most CO2 in the EU and having the most expensive energy price by a large margin. This happens when you try to bend reality to your ideology instead of facing the challenges of our world and try to solve it. It should be clear at this stage that without serious advencement in storing energy you cannot have a green solution to our energy needs. My prediction to the future, we are going to use solar + nuclear in the future because the combination of these two gives the best option of humanity and also because these work in a setup when you need the energy in space.

icebraining 7y ago

No offense intended. I did preface by saying I'm no expert. I'm basing my opinion on what I've read by some people, such as: "What we need for this fluctuating renewable energy in the electricity mix is not baseload. Baseload is poison for our electricity transition in Germany," -- Thorsten Herdan, a director general for energy policy at the German Federal Ministry for Economic Affairs and Energy "The idea of there being an average or 'base' electricity load, doesn't make sense. Let alone having this sort of big, slow-changing power station to meet that load," -- CSIRO Energy Director Dr Glenn Platt. "Technology has moved on from base load, and now you want flexible power. And that's what demand management, batteries and pumped hydro is," -- Professor Andrew Blakers, director of the ANU Centre for Sustainable Energy Systems. And reports like Brattle Group's "Advancing Past “Baseload” to a Flexible Grid", and a few more which I have forgotten the name of. And of course, knowing about the tech (IoT and such) that enables real-time communication of energy prices. And finally, my own guess that people will change their behaviour if it hits their wallet. Sorry if I misread or got the arguments wrong.

StreamBright 7y ago
None taken. You are quoting politicians and their wishful thinking here. Of course, they say what you want to hear. I could answer you by writing a very lengthy essay, but I do not have the time or motivation to do that. Instead, if what they are saying is true why does Germany has 7 outs of 10 of the worst CO2 producing sources in the EU all of them are coal power plants? https://infographic.statista.com/normal/chartoftheday_17582_megatonnes_of_co2_equivalent_in_the_eu_n.jpg https://infographic.statista.com/normal/chartoftheday_17582_... The answer is: German mass hysteria made the country to turn off its nuclear power plants (you know, the other type of base load power plant that does not produce CO2) while not having any other option because renewables are not going to give you enough power. As a result they run on coal. Lets add to the mix of the price of doing that: https://ibb.co/rvJ1Wb2 https://ibb.co/rvJ1Wb2 So to sum it up, Germany produces the most CO2 in the EU and having the most expensive energy price by a large margin. This happens when you try to bend reality to your ideology instead of facing the challenges of our world and try to solve it. It should be clear at this stage that without serious advencement in storing energy you cannot have a green solution to our energy needs. My prediction to the future, we are going to use solar + nuclear in the future because the combination of these two gives the best option of humanity and also because these work in a setup when you need the energy in space.