These guys are just like every other group that wants to setup their own society "free" of government. But look closely at their plans. They don't want to get r

These guys are just like every other group that wants to setup their own society "free" of government. But look closely at their plans. They don't want to get rid of nation states. They just want to setup their own nation states under their own legal structure So, basically following the precedent of human beings across all of recorded human history and almost certainly for much longer. Ask them their opinions on the big crimes (murder/rape/arson etc). Will they allow me to keep slaves on my seastead? Of course not. In 2019, savvy humans should look askance at everyone who proposes new governments or changes to existing governments without prioritizing a first-principles approach to preserving fundamental human rights. As far as we know, such a principles based approach -- which disperses power and takes into account people's natural tendency towards groupthink/tribalism, bias, and corruption -- does the best job of preserving human rights and increasing the general welfare. It's not perfect. It will have problems, but it's a lot better than everything else we've tried. There isn't something magic in people that suddenly changes them to angels, if we'd only make some deep, profound realization. That's some of the oldest ideological snake oil there is. It's no more valid now in 2019 than when stone buildings were the technological marvel of the day and mythologies were the best societal and epistemological proposals going around. The best we have ever done is a set of rules that keeps individual people from being treated unfairly like garbage and acts to disperse power. These are nothing more than rich randians complaining about their tax bracket. Everyone is "nothing more" than _insert reductive term here_. History shall judge them by their works.