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I’m privacy aware, but I just don’t think I care. So many things that I’m suppose to be outraged about. I’m exhausted.

by aantix 7y ago

cantrevealname 7y ago
> I’m exhausted. Your answer makes a lot of sense to me. I too am exhausted by the number of creeping privacy violations I can do nothing about. (But switching email providers is something I do have control over.)
- misterman0 7y ago
  I'm totally exhausted too. This morning I googled "migrate from chrome to firefox" because I remembered reading on HN a couple of days ago about a promotional site Mozilla had launched in the spirit of their old "getfirefox.com" campaign but this time it was about how to make the jump from chrome to FF. I needed Mozilla to motivate me to make the jump. I mean, FF is already on all of my PCs. I just can't seem to bring myself to actually make the jump. I just can't convince myself to marry yet another browser, as you do when you sign in and sync to the cloud. It's out of the frying pan into the fire, to me. Google gave me an instant answer on how to migrate from FF to chrome. I immediately closed my default browser, went and played some Tetris on our Sega arcade machine, and tried to forget I'm both extremely privacy aware and extremely disappointed in Google. Edited (spelling)
  - jsnell 7y ago
    Are you sure that was the exact query? Of course it's hard to say anything conclusive these days, but I can't reproduce your results with that exact query. The featured result [0] is for migrating to firefox, and so are all the normal results, all the suggested searches, and two out of the three video results. I can only see mixed results with queries like "migrate chrome firefox" or "migrate firefox chrome", which have no disambiguation about the direction of the migration at all. For those, the top result I see is migrating to Chrome and the second is migrating from Chrome. Given the ambiguity, that hardly seems malicious. [0] https://www.howtogeek.com/333047/how-to-migrate-all-your-data-from-chrome-to-firefox/ https://www.howtogeek.com/333047/how-to-migrate-all-your-dat...
TheSpiceIsLife 7y ago
With regard to Gmail, privacy might be the wrong metric to be concerned about anyway. Gmail can unilaterally lock you out of your email at any moment, immediately and forever, with no recourse nor consumer protections. That, for me, would be mighty annoying.
- shereadsthenews 7y ago
  Every email provider can do this to you.
  - StuntPope 7y ago
    If you run email at your own domain, and sync it offsite even if you use hosted IMAP, you can always switch your MX and be back in control of your email.
  - TheSpiceIsLife 7y ago
    Some email providers claim to offer support, sold even have a phone number you can call.
Frondo 7y ago
For me, the issue has a couple of layers: First, there's little I can do about it, even if I'm not on gmail. So many people are, so Google has copies of most of my email even if I'm not using them. Second, this is a small wrong in the world; I've literally never heard of political violence linked to someone's use of Gmail, while I have heard this about a variety of other services. It's a little disturbing, but there are "evil corp" things much closer to home that I reserve my change-the-world energy for. Third, on a basic level, there's nothing wrong with this service, or any of the various privacy-invading services. The problem is that, right now, the mega-corps are all so unrestricted from passing my data around to one another, building giant profiles. What I want is to be able to share my data freely with anyone, but for them to be heavily restricted from sharing it, under serious penalty, until I say it's okay. I want a cultural and legal shift around privacy to take place, so that companies have to respect my ownership of my data as a primacy, but then I want them to be able to do whatever cool stuff they want with it. Location sharing? That shit's awesome. If you're meeting up with people in a new city, there's no better way to do it. But my telco and mapping providers had better be under corporate death penalty not to share that with anyone, under any circumstances. That's the world I want, not one where these things don't exist, just one where I and every other user of the tools is in charge of what we do with them.
- andybak 7y ago
  > What I want is to be able to share my data freely with anyone, but for them to be heavily restricted from sharing it, under serious penalty I think you pretty much described the GDPR there (or at least part of it)

I’m privacy aware, but I just don’t think I care. So many things that I’m suppose to be outraged about. I’m exhausted.

by aantix 7y ago

I’m privacy aware, but I just don’t think I care. So many things that I’m suppose to be outraged about. I’m exhausted.

> I’m exhausted. Your answer makes a lot of sense to me. I too am exhausted by the number of creeping privacy violations I can do nothing about. (But switching email providers is something I do have control over.)

misterman0 7y ago
I'm totally exhausted too. This morning I googled "migrate from chrome to firefox" because I remembered reading on HN a couple of days ago about a promotional site Mozilla had launched in the spirit of their old "getfirefox.com" campaign but this time it was about how to make the jump from chrome to FF. I needed Mozilla to motivate me to make the jump. I mean, FF is already on all of my PCs. I just can't seem to bring myself to actually make the jump. I just can't convince myself to marry yet another browser, as you do when you sign in and sync to the cloud. It's out of the frying pan into the fire, to me. Google gave me an instant answer on how to migrate from FF to chrome. I immediately closed my default browser, went and played some Tetris on our Sega arcade machine, and tried to forget I'm both extremely privacy aware and extremely disappointed in Google. Edited (spelling)
- jsnell 7y ago
  Are you sure that was the exact query? Of course it's hard to say anything conclusive these days, but I can't reproduce your results with that exact query. The featured result [0] is for migrating to firefox, and so are all the normal results, all the suggested searches, and two out of the three video results. I can only see mixed results with queries like "migrate chrome firefox" or "migrate firefox chrome", which have no disambiguation about the direction of the migration at all. For those, the top result I see is migrating to Chrome and the second is migrating from Chrome. Given the ambiguity, that hardly seems malicious. [0] https://www.howtogeek.com/333047/how-to-migrate-all-your-data-from-chrome-to-firefox/ https://www.howtogeek.com/333047/how-to-migrate-all-your-dat...

TheSpiceIsLife 7y ago

With regard to Gmail, privacy might be the wrong metric to be concerned about anyway. Gmail can unilaterally lock you out of your email at any moment, immediately and forever, with no recourse nor consumer protections. That, for me, would be mighty annoying.

shereadsthenews 7y ago
Every email provider can do this to you.
- StuntPope 7y ago
  If you run email at your own domain, and sync it offsite even if you use hosted IMAP, you can always switch your MX and be back in control of your email.
- TheSpiceIsLife 7y ago
  Some email providers claim to offer support, sold even have a phone number you can call.

Frondo 7y ago

For me, the issue has a couple of layers: First, there's little I can do about it, even if I'm not on gmail. So many people are, so Google has copies of most of my email even if I'm not using them. Second, this is a small wrong in the world; I've literally never heard of political violence linked to someone's use of Gmail, while I have heard this about a variety of other services. It's a little disturbing, but there are "evil corp" things much closer to home that I reserve my change-the-world energy for. Third, on a basic level, there's nothing wrong with this service, or any of the various privacy-invading services. The problem is that, right now, the mega-corps are all so unrestricted from passing my data around to one another, building giant profiles. What I want is to be able to share my data freely with anyone, but for them to be heavily restricted from sharing it, under serious penalty, until I say it's okay. I want a cultural and legal shift around privacy to take place, so that companies have to respect my ownership of my data as a primacy, but then I want them to be able to do whatever cool stuff they want with it. Location sharing? That shit's awesome. If you're meeting up with people in a new city, there's no better way to do it. But my telco and mapping providers had better be under corporate death penalty not to share that with anyone, under any circumstances. That's the world I want, not one where these things don't exist, just one where I and every other user of the tools is in charge of what we do with them.

andybak 7y ago
> What I want is to be able to share my data freely with anyone, but for them to be heavily restricted from sharing it, under serious penalty I think you pretty much described the GDPR there (or at least part of it)