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The opposite of "we can't agree on laws" is not "we encourage the behaviour that most places have those laws in place to discourage". What you should be asking

The opposite of "we can't agree on laws" is not "we encourage the behaviour that most places have those laws in place to discourage". What you should be asking is "show me a country that doesn't have laws for what we commonly consider illegal behaviour". So okay: slavery is horrible, and illegal (by law) in a lot of places. But not in Mali, where hundreds of thousands of people are either indentured servants, or quite literally slaves.

SketchySeaBeast 7y ago
You're right - encourage was the wrong word. Every country will have laws that we don't like, I get that, but I'm arguing that there is a common ground there - it may not be very big, and it may be pretty basic when it comes to what it's covering, but I don't think there's a nation on earth where murder is perfectly OK. There are SOME basic elements everybody follows.
- Frondo 7y ago
  I too would like to hear of the country where 1) Don't kill and 2) Don't steal are not in some way specified in law.
- TheRealPomax 7y ago
  Let's go back to your use of "society" instead of country, and you pretty quickly run into things like Boko Haram or ISIL, where murder is barely a punishable offense. And these are groups who _very clearly want_ to form their own countries. (and thankfully, so far are prevented from doing so, at high cost). So: sure, it's reasonable to assume any well-intentioned group of people will come up with some kind of basic law book, but not everyone is well-intentioned, and the question about "who runs the court?", especially for a place as tiny as this, is an excellent question to pose, because you really can't rely on common sense to lead to fair trials.
  - SketchySeaBeast 7y ago
    Did the Boko Haram or ISIL kill their own in-groups?
  - chr1 7y ago
    Boko Haram or ISIL are not killing people in the group they are killing outsiders who according to their views are enemies. This groups do not want to form their own countries, they want to take as many existing countries as possible and force people to live by their laws. Any examples you think of will be some crazy fanatics or remnant of some medieval traditions, and even there murder will be allowed only according to some hierarchy. > "who runs the court?", especially for a place as tiny as this While they are tiny they'll have to use court of an existing country.

SketchySeaBeast 7y ago

You're right - encourage was the wrong word. Every country will have laws that we don't like, I get that, but I'm arguing that there is a common ground there - it may not be very big, and it may be pretty basic when it comes to what it's covering, but I don't think there's a nation on earth where murder is perfectly OK. There are SOME basic elements everybody follows.

Frondo 7y ago
I too would like to hear of the country where 1) Don't kill and 2) Don't steal are not in some way specified in law.
TheRealPomax 7y ago
Let's go back to your use of "society" instead of country, and you pretty quickly run into things like Boko Haram or ISIL, where murder is barely a punishable offense. And these are groups who _very clearly want_ to form their own countries. (and thankfully, so far are prevented from doing so, at high cost). So: sure, it's reasonable to assume any well-intentioned group of people will come up with some kind of basic law book, but not everyone is well-intentioned, and the question about "who runs the court?", especially for a place as tiny as this, is an excellent question to pose, because you really can't rely on common sense to lead to fair trials.
- SketchySeaBeast 7y ago
  Did the Boko Haram or ISIL kill their own in-groups?
- chr1 7y ago
  Boko Haram or ISIL are not killing people in the group they are killing outsiders who according to their views are enemies. This groups do not want to form their own countries, they want to take as many existing countries as possible and force people to live by their laws. Any examples you think of will be some crazy fanatics or remnant of some medieval traditions, and even there murder will be allowed only according to some hierarchy. > "who runs the court?", especially for a place as tiny as this While they are tiny they'll have to use court of an existing country.