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There is always a government. It might be two guys with guns, or it might be a huge bureaucracy that runs on the rule of law or anywhere in between. But it's

by M2Ys4U 7y ago

There is always a government. It might be two guys with guns, or it might be a huge bureaucracy that runs on the rule of law or anywhere in between. But it's always there.

buboard 7y ago
That's just false.
- billiam 7y ago
  Honest question: who are you people that never took civics class or never listened? I don’t want to believe this is just more trolling.
  - buboard 7y ago
    This is not a honest question, and i m not going to have a political discussion, especially not on HN. I ll just point out it is a subject with a very long history. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anarchism https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anarchism https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anarcho-capitalism https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anarcho-capitalism
- lostphilosopher 7y ago
  Disagree. As soon as one person's actions can affect another person a system arises for resolving their inevitable conflicts and facilitating cooperation if required. What do you call that system? Many would call that "government." That does seem appropriate if the definition of government is: > the political system by which a country or a community is administered and regulated. Of course, "government" as manifested in multi-million person nations is significantly evolved from it's abstract underpinnings both etymologically and philosophically. Same is true of the notions of political, community, administered, and regulated. But all that evolution (both its pros and cons) falls out logically from the foundational relationship of two beings with agency trying to figure out how and if to restrain that agency when it conflicts with the other's. EDIT: I see from a sibling you're referring to "Anarchism." That doesn't free anyone for the reality of government it just changes where the restraining lines get drawn. In practice, the lines predictably get drawn in favor of the powerful just as they do in more mainstream systems of government.
dexterdog 7y ago
> or it might be a huge bureaucracy that runs on the rule of law You forgot to mention that in that case it's just one guy with the only gun
- unixbeard1337 7y ago
  The one guy better not sleep.

by M2Ys4U 7y ago

There is always a government. It might be two guys with guns, or it might be a huge bureaucracy that runs on the rule of law or anywhere in between. But it's always there.

buboard 7y ago

That's just false.

billiam 7y ago
Honest question: who are you people that never took civics class or never listened? I don’t want to believe this is just more trolling.
- buboard 7y ago
  This is not a honest question, and i m not going to have a political discussion, especially not on HN. I ll just point out it is a subject with a very long history. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anarchism https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anarchism https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anarcho-capitalism https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anarcho-capitalism
lostphilosopher 7y ago
Disagree. As soon as one person's actions can affect another person a system arises for resolving their inevitable conflicts and facilitating cooperation if required. What do you call that system? Many would call that "government." That does seem appropriate if the definition of government is: > the political system by which a country or a community is administered and regulated. Of course, "government" as manifested in multi-million person nations is significantly evolved from it's abstract underpinnings both etymologically and philosophically. Same is true of the notions of political, community, administered, and regulated. But all that evolution (both its pros and cons) falls out logically from the foundational relationship of two beings with agency trying to figure out how and if to restrain that agency when it conflicts with the other's. EDIT: I see from a sibling you're referring to "Anarchism." That doesn't free anyone for the reality of government it just changes where the restraining lines get drawn. In practice, the lines predictably get drawn in favor of the powerful just as they do in more mainstream systems of government.

dexterdog 7y ago

> or it might be a huge bureaucracy that runs on the rule of law You forgot to mention that in that case it's just one guy with the only gun

unixbeard1337 7y ago
The one guy better not sleep.