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It's interesting to me that segregation of Asians isn't mentioned. By my own observation (which may obviously be flawed), the integration of Asians outside of u

It's interesting to me that segregation of Asians isn't mentioned. By my own observation (which may obviously be flawed), the integration of Asians outside of urban Chinatown-like areas is pretty much complete. In particular, Americans of Chinese ancestry (with which I'm more familiar, since my wife came from China) can be found anywhere in suburbia.

maxklein 16y ago
I'm not sure how relevant that is. The asian-american percentage is quite small, and is relatively modern. There are a lot few traditional places for asians to go to, as there are for blacks, for example. It's like saying - what's the segregation level of romanian-americans. Black people, jewish people, hispanics have more traditional places where there are already large concentrations, and where they are more likely to move to, leading to the geographical racial imbalance.
- CWuestefeld 16y ago
  is relatively modern I don't know how true that is. In the middle of the 19th century, piles of Chinese were used as low-cost labor to build the railroads. (And were, generally, treated far worse than the black slaves because the latter were property assets that needed to be preserved, whereas Chinese men could still be imported and paid a subsistence wage) A century ago, Americans were arguing about the Chinese "immigration problem". Governments were passing laws preventing them from competing with native-born (white?) Americans for jobs, so great was their influx perceived to be.
  - maxklein 16y ago
    Those particular chinese are an insignificantly tiny percentage of modern U.S.A.
    - oiuytrfiuytre 16y ago
      But they do form a a large proportion in those areas where they do live. The previous poster's comment that black descendants of slaves may have a different point from modern economic immigrants - many chinese immigrants on the west coast are the descendants of similarly unfortunate C19 workers.
      - maxklein 16y ago
        Come on, why don't you just look it up? By 1950, there were 150,005 chinese in the U.S, which is 0.1% of the population. In 1980, there were 812,178, which is 0.36%. By 2004, there were 3,353,486, which is 1.17%. Source here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_American_history http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_American_history Even in the area with a large % of chinese americans, the percentage hovers around 1%. Look here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Chinese_Population_USA.jpg http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Chinese_Population_USA.jpg They don't form a large population. It's a very small population that did not have much of a chance to form large ghettos. Chinatowns could be formed (they are much smaller), and they WERE formed. The whole premise of this argumentation is wrong. First, the population is very low, and secondly, chinatowns do exist everywhere.
w1ntermute 16y ago
> By my own observation (which may obviously be flawed), the integration of Asians outside of urban Chinatown-like areas is pretty much complete. That's because there are so few of them in most areas (i.e., outside those Chinatown-like areas you mention) that they're forced to integrate. The reason blacks and Hispanics are segregated is because they're minorities that are big enough to form their own communities. If blacks made up 1% of the population, they'd have integrated a long time ago.
pchristensen 16y ago
Asian immigrants and especially Asian-americans have higher IQs and incomes than American whites. They can afford to go anywhere they want, while generally poorer black or Hispanic people get the neighborhoods no one wants.
- charlesju 16y ago
  lol, as an Asian American myself, while thankful for your comment, I'm sure that's all sorts of wrong.
  - pchristensen 16y ago
    Hold your head high, my friend! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Race_and_intelligence http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Race_and_intelligence - "Intelligence quotient (IQ) tests performed in the US have consistently demonstrated a significant degree of variation between different racial groups, with the average score of the African American population being significantly lower—and that of the Asian American population being higher—than that of the White American population." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asian_American http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asian_American - "As of 2008, Asian American households had the highest median income at $65,637; however, 11.8 percent of Asians were in poverty in 2004, higher than the 8.6 percent rate for non-Hispanic whites.[8] Much of this poverty is concentrated in ethnic enclaves such as Chinatowns in the cities[38] Census figures also show that a white male with a college diploma earns in excess of $66,000 a year, far more than similarly educated Asian men who earned more than $52,000 a year.[39] Asians however are more likely to complete higher education particularly and are the highest group by percentage with graduate degrees"
krschultz 16y ago
Most historians won't compare blacks and native americans to "voluntary minorities". The bulk of blacks in America today are descendant from people who were taken here involuntarily and have had a completely different history up until about 1970 than any other minority. Native Americans have their own history obviously that is similiarily oppressed. Compare that to someone from Asia or South/Latin America or Mexico who came here for largely the same reasons as the Europeans did in the 1700s and 1800s - better job prospects or for some reason a better life in America. That self selects who comes a lot more than most people realize. Obviously most people were born here and are not immigrants, but we are largely descendent from immigrants and that shapes our views. If you grow up with your family story being praise about how much better life is now than in the old country, wouldn't that be a whole lot different than growing up and your family story being about how you were kidnapped, dragged here, enslaved, and then discriminated against for 115 years after you were no longer slaves?

maxklein 16y ago

I'm not sure how relevant that is. The asian-american percentage is quite small, and is relatively modern. There are a lot few traditional places for asians to go to, as there are for blacks, for example. It's like saying - what's the segregation level of romanian-americans. Black people, jewish people, hispanics have more traditional places where there are already large concentrations, and where they are more likely to move to, leading to the geographical racial imbalance.

CWuestefeld 16y ago
is relatively modern I don't know how true that is. In the middle of the 19th century, piles of Chinese were used as low-cost labor to build the railroads. (And were, generally, treated far worse than the black slaves because the latter were property assets that needed to be preserved, whereas Chinese men could still be imported and paid a subsistence wage) A century ago, Americans were arguing about the Chinese "immigration problem". Governments were passing laws preventing them from competing with native-born (white?) Americans for jobs, so great was their influx perceived to be.
- maxklein 16y ago
  Those particular chinese are an insignificantly tiny percentage of modern U.S.A.
  - oiuytrfiuytre 16y ago
    But they do form a a large proportion in those areas where they do live. The previous poster's comment that black descendants of slaves may have a different point from modern economic immigrants - many chinese immigrants on the west coast are the descendants of similarly unfortunate C19 workers.
    - maxklein 16y ago
      Come on, why don't you just look it up? By 1950, there were 150,005 chinese in the U.S, which is 0.1% of the population. In 1980, there were 812,178, which is 0.36%. By 2004, there were 3,353,486, which is 1.17%. Source here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_American_history http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_American_history Even in the area with a large % of chinese americans, the percentage hovers around 1%. Look here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Chinese_Population_USA.jpg http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Chinese_Population_USA.jpg They don't form a large population. It's a very small population that did not have much of a chance to form large ghettos. Chinatowns could be formed (they are much smaller), and they WERE formed. The whole premise of this argumentation is wrong. First, the population is very low, and secondly, chinatowns do exist everywhere.

w1ntermute 16y ago

> By my own observation (which may obviously be flawed), the integration of Asians outside of urban Chinatown-like areas is pretty much complete. That's because there are so few of them in most areas (i.e., outside those Chinatown-like areas you mention) that they're forced to integrate. The reason blacks and Hispanics are segregated is because they're minorities that are big enough to form their own communities. If blacks made up 1% of the population, they'd have integrated a long time ago.

pchristensen 16y ago

Asian immigrants and especially Asian-americans have higher IQs and incomes than American whites. They can afford to go anywhere they want, while generally poorer black or Hispanic people get the neighborhoods no one wants.

charlesju 16y ago
lol, as an Asian American myself, while thankful for your comment, I'm sure that's all sorts of wrong.
- pchristensen 16y ago
  Hold your head high, my friend! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Race_and_intelligence http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Race_and_intelligence - "Intelligence quotient (IQ) tests performed in the US have consistently demonstrated a significant degree of variation between different racial groups, with the average score of the African American population being significantly lower—and that of the Asian American population being higher—than that of the White American population." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asian_American http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asian_American - "As of 2008, Asian American households had the highest median income at $65,637; however, 11.8 percent of Asians were in poverty in 2004, higher than the 8.6 percent rate for non-Hispanic whites.[8] Much of this poverty is concentrated in ethnic enclaves such as Chinatowns in the cities[38] Census figures also show that a white male with a college diploma earns in excess of $66,000 a year, far more than similarly educated Asian men who earned more than $52,000 a year.[39] Asians however are more likely to complete higher education particularly and are the highest group by percentage with graduate degrees"

krschultz 16y ago

Most historians won't compare blacks and native americans to "voluntary minorities". The bulk of blacks in America today are descendant from people who were taken here involuntarily and have had a completely different history up until about 1970 than any other minority. Native Americans have their own history obviously that is similiarily oppressed. Compare that to someone from Asia or South/Latin America or Mexico who came here for largely the same reasons as the Europeans did in the 1700s and 1800s - better job prospects or for some reason a better life in America. That self selects who comes a lot more than most people realize. Obviously most people were born here and are not immigrants, but we are largely descendent from immigrants and that shapes our views. If you grow up with your family story being praise about how much better life is now than in the old country, wouldn't that be a whole lot different than growing up and your family story being about how you were kidnapped, dragged here, enslaved, and then discriminated against for 115 years after you were no longer slaves?