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"The State Department regulations say people will have to submit social media names and five years' worth of email addresses and phone numbers. When proposed l

"The State Department regulations say people will have to submit social media names and five years' worth of email addresses and phone numbers. When proposed last year, authorities estimated the proposal would affect 14.7 million people annually." [0] [0] https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-48486672 https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-48486672

jkaplowitz 7y ago
I don't think they've thought about how precise 100% compliance is literally impossible for those of us with catch-all email domains, unless we have a record of every email address at that domain we've ever given out or through which we've received unsolicited email. (Yeah, I realize that in practice they will probably accept partial compliance in that scenario, and that it won't affect me as a US citizen. But it could certainly affect people I care about.)
- optymizer 7y ago
  It can be advantageous for the government to issue laws that citizens can't comply with. That way they can prove you lied because you haven't provided this one e-mail address that they were able to trace to you. Now you're a liar and they can hold that against you.
  - jkaplowitz 7y ago
    All true. This particular one has no impact on US citizens since we don't need US visas, but other overly demanding laws certainly can affect us, and even this one can affect non-citizens We care about (even ones we may count as family).
- NotSammyHagar 7y ago
  Yeah. Plus the hundreds of times I used bugmenot, or one of the open use mailbox accounts. Also see throwaway phone numbers.
- baroffoos 7y ago
  Couldn't you just write something like "All emails @mydomain.com" if asked you could explain how it works and they can't say that you ever lied.
  - jkaplowitz 7y ago
    I think the US nonimmigrant visa application must usually be done online (some exceptions exist) using an interactive series of web forms. So your solution works if and only if they don't apply validation rules to that input field and throw an error. I guess they may have some procedure to handle the case where technical limitations of the form prevent an accurate answer, but even if yes that's still a huge obstacle many applicants won't overcome. (Yes, applicants with the technical savvy to catch-all domains are more likely to be able and willing to overcome that type of barrier. Other categories of people will have a harder time, like who are sure they've forgotten some email addresses but don't remember enough details to reconstruct that info. They'll have to say exactly that, if they can even find a place to provide that answer, and possibly get refused as a result.)

jkaplowitz 7y ago

I don't think they've thought about how precise 100% compliance is literally impossible for those of us with catch-all email domains, unless we have a record of every email address at that domain we've ever given out or through which we've received unsolicited email. (Yeah, I realize that in practice they will probably accept partial compliance in that scenario, and that it won't affect me as a US citizen. But it could certainly affect people I care about.)

optymizer 7y ago
It can be advantageous for the government to issue laws that citizens can't comply with. That way they can prove you lied because you haven't provided this one e-mail address that they were able to trace to you. Now you're a liar and they can hold that against you.
- jkaplowitz 7y ago
  All true. This particular one has no impact on US citizens since we don't need US visas, but other overly demanding laws certainly can affect us, and even this one can affect non-citizens We care about (even ones we may count as family).
NotSammyHagar 7y ago
Yeah. Plus the hundreds of times I used bugmenot, or one of the open use mailbox accounts. Also see throwaway phone numbers.
baroffoos 7y ago
Couldn't you just write something like "All emails @mydomain.com" if asked you could explain how it works and they can't say that you ever lied.
- jkaplowitz 7y ago
  I think the US nonimmigrant visa application must usually be done online (some exceptions exist) using an interactive series of web forms. So your solution works if and only if they don't apply validation rules to that input field and throw an error. I guess they may have some procedure to handle the case where technical limitations of the form prevent an accurate answer, but even if yes that's still a huge obstacle many applicants won't overcome. (Yes, applicants with the technical savvy to catch-all domains are more likely to be able and willing to overcome that type of barrier. Other categories of people will have a harder time, like who are sure they've forgotten some email addresses but don't remember enough details to reconstruct that info. They'll have to say exactly that, if they can even find a place to provide that answer, and possibly get refused as a result.)