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It sounds like you might only be doing web dev, so I appreciate that you might not have experience with this, but: I've been looking at languages and VMs for d

It sounds like you might only be doing web dev, so I appreciate that you might not have experience with this, but: I've been looking at languages and VMs for doing GUI desktop app work. Specifically, cross-platform apps using native GUIs on each platform. Java (I normally use Clojure where I can) has decent cross-platform toolkits, but not so great native bindings. .NET obviously has good Windows GUI stuff, Mono's GTK# and Qyoto seem to work well for Gnome and KDE, and MonoMac seems to be going places. The main alternative seems to be to drop to low-level languages. (C, C++, Obj-C). Do you think it's worth it for me to go ahead with .NET and Mono considering the difficulties you've had with Mono?

DanielBMarkham 16y ago
Like I said, I'm about a week away from forming a solid opinion, but my guess is that I'd use Mono. I'm doing very simple web stuff (fcgi-type, if I can get the fcgi bindings to work) Also a bit of command-line/batch work. As far as I can tell, .NET is the best match for what you want. If i were you, I might want to do a bit of poking around to see how the low-level stuff is configured first.
- pmjordan 16y ago
  OK, thanks, will do! First plan of action is to build a small, (more or less) throwaway app that uses all the major bits we're interested in to get a feel for the platform before betting the farm on it.
- MikeW 16y ago
  Do NOT use the fastcgi server for ASP.NET. They are too unstable for use in production. Use mod_mono instead.
  - DanielBMarkham 16y ago
    maybe you could help me. I don't want ASP.NET. All I want is a resident .NET program that gets called when an URL is visited, getting all the parms passed like CGI. I can handle the rest. I really don't want or need the ASP.NET stack. Is there some way to do this? So far all I have is a stand-alone program that gets loaded each time using Apache and CGI. Can't seem to figure out how to make it resident and re-entryable without using the HttpHandler objects off the ASP.NET stack, which I don't want to do. Lord knows it was tough enough getting an environment working. Going through the motions of overriding a part of the ASP.NET pipeline in a foreign environment is probably just a bridge too far for me for this project. Any help would be very much appreciated.
    - jacksonh 16y ago
      It sounds like what you are looking for is exactly what I am working on right now: https://github.com/jacksonh/manos/blob/master/docs/tutorial/page-1.md https://github.com/jacksonh/manos/blob/master/docs/tutorial/...

DanielBMarkham 16y ago

Like I said, I'm about a week away from forming a solid opinion, but my guess is that I'd use Mono. I'm doing very simple web stuff (fcgi-type, if I can get the fcgi bindings to work) Also a bit of command-line/batch work. As far as I can tell, .NET is the best match for what you want. If i were you, I might want to do a bit of poking around to see how the low-level stuff is configured first.

pmjordan 16y ago
OK, thanks, will do! First plan of action is to build a small, (more or less) throwaway app that uses all the major bits we're interested in to get a feel for the platform before betting the farm on it.
MikeW 16y ago
Do NOT use the fastcgi server for ASP.NET. They are too unstable for use in production. Use mod_mono instead.
- DanielBMarkham 16y ago
  maybe you could help me. I don't want ASP.NET. All I want is a resident .NET program that gets called when an URL is visited, getting all the parms passed like CGI. I can handle the rest. I really don't want or need the ASP.NET stack. Is there some way to do this? So far all I have is a stand-alone program that gets loaded each time using Apache and CGI. Can't seem to figure out how to make it resident and re-entryable without using the HttpHandler objects off the ASP.NET stack, which I don't want to do. Lord knows it was tough enough getting an environment working. Going through the motions of overriding a part of the ASP.NET pipeline in a foreign environment is probably just a bridge too far for me for this project. Any help would be very much appreciated.
  - jacksonh 16y ago
    It sounds like what you are looking for is exactly what I am working on right now: https://github.com/jacksonh/manos/blob/master/docs/tutorial/page-1.md https://github.com/jacksonh/manos/blob/master/docs/tutorial/...