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The Armstrong report is pretty clear in saying how likely it is the 5 were involved in the assault: > The report concluded that the five men whose convictions

The Armstrong report is pretty clear in saying how likely it is the 5 were involved in the assault: > The report concluded that the five men whose convictions had been vacated had "most likely" participated in the beating and rape of the jogger and that the "most likely scenario" was that "both the defendants and Reyes assaulted her, perhaps successively." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Central_Park_jogger_case#Armstrong_Report https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Central_Park_jogger_case#Armst...

themgt 7y ago
The report is incredibly damning. Just to use one example, Korey Wise is in the NYT, described as: Wise, 16, wasn’t a suspect, but he agreed to go with his friend for moral support. He ended up being charged as well No description of why he would be charged. Clearly a gross miscarriage of justice. Armstrong report: In addition, several statements were made by witnesses to officers investigating the incident and by the defendants, speaking outside the formal interrogation process, which directly contradict Reyes’s claim that he acted alone, and evidence the participation of the defendants. They include inculpatory statements by defendants Wise, Richardson and Santana both to police officers and to civilian witnesses who reported the statements to police. Santana and Richardson separately pointed out the location of the rape when brought to Central Park. When Wise was questioned, he made reference to a man named “Rudy” who took the jogger’s Walkman; the description of the jogger’s “Walkman pouch” was similar to Reyes’s description of a “fanny pack.” At the time of this interview, the police had no way of knowing that the jogger had a Walkman or that she carried it in a pouch. Wise also commented on the amount of blood at the spot where the rape occurred. When asked why he was so surprised by the amount of blood, he answered, “I knew she was bleeding but I didn’t know how bad she was. It was really dark. I couldn’t see how much blood there was at night.” https://big.assets.huffingtonpost.com/Armstrong.pdf https://big.assets.huffingtonpost.com/Armstrong.pdf
- DuskStar 7y ago
  Shit like this significantly contributes to the legitimacy of calling the NYT "fake news". When you tell a story from one side, and one side only... (I don't mean that it's a good thing to call news orgs "fake news". I mean that if someone is already calling you "fake news", you should really take care to have impeccable reporting to avoid giving those accusations weight)
  - throwaway987665 7y ago
    The nytimes is very much aware of this report and there is a reason it doesn’t take it seriously https://www.nytimes.com/2003/01/28/nyregion/new-slant-on-jogger-case-lacks-official-certainty.html https://www.nytimes.com/2003/01/28/nyregion/new-slant-on-jog...
    - xrd 7y ago
      That is a very interesting read. Totally different than people here are painting the situation.
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    - throwaway936472 7y ago
      From the New York Times piece: The panel's report veers from other factual records on several points, Mr. Hammerman said this was important proof that the police had not fed a story to the defendants, and that Mr. Wise was speaking from firsthand knowledge. ''We didn't know until now that one of the defendants mentioned a Walkman in a pouch,'' Mr. Hammerman said." In fact, prosecutors have long said that the victim was not wearing a pouch, belt or the kind of Walkman that would be carried at the waist. The victim had been wearing a radio headset that slipped over the head and did not attach to anything else, according to a court filing by the district attorney. It's not nearly so clear cut that the Armstrong report is in the wrong here. Reyes admitted to taking the jogger's Sony AM/FM headset Walkman (though not a cassette walkman that usually attaches at the waist). The jogger confirms that she is missing her Walkman. This is all in the Ryan report that vacated the prosecution, not the Armstrong report. In the motion to vacate, the assistant district attorney Ryan specifically cites as reasoning that Reyes knew about the missing Walkman but that "None of the defendants mentioned the jogger's Walkman." Reyes also says the jogger had a "fanny pack." The jogger says she had a key case attached to her shoe laces of brown Velcro. (This is in another part of the Armstrong report.) The Armstrong report then says about the Wise interview notes: Kharey Wise was questioned at 4:50 AM on April 21, 1989 by Detective Jonza, whose notes list what Wise told him regarding “persons present when girl raped.” (Exhibit E.) Included on the list is the reference “Rudy – played with tits/took walkman.” At the bottom of the page, it is noted, “female had pouch for Walkman on her belt.” Wise’s description of the walkman “pouch” is, therefore, similar to Reyes’s description of a “fanny pack.” At the time of this interview, neither Detective Jonza, nor anyone else investigating the events of the evening, had any way of knowing that the jogger had a Walkman, or a pouch. So the interview notes show that Kharey Wise had accurate knowledge of the event insofar that she had a walkman, a guy took the walkman, and that she had a pouch. On the other hand Kharey Wise had inaccurate knowledge in that the guy was not named Rudy, and the pouch was a fanny pack, not a holder for a walkman. The Armstrong report itself does not appear to be factually wrong in this case. You could accuse the Armstrong of emphasizing the parts of the police notes that match (the taking of the Walkman and the existence of the pouch) and overly discounting the parts of the note that don't match (the name of the guy and the nature of the pouch).

themgt 7y ago

The report is incredibly damning. Just to use one example, Korey Wise is in the NYT, described as: Wise, 16, wasn’t a suspect, but he agreed to go with his friend for moral support. He ended up being charged as well No description of why he would be charged. Clearly a gross miscarriage of justice. Armstrong report: In addition, several statements were made by witnesses to officers investigating the incident and by the defendants, speaking outside the formal interrogation process, which directly contradict Reyes’s claim that he acted alone, and evidence the participation of the defendants. They include inculpatory statements by defendants Wise, Richardson and Santana both to police officers and to civilian witnesses who reported the statements to police. Santana and Richardson separately pointed out the location of the rape when brought to Central Park. When Wise was questioned, he made reference to a man named “Rudy” who took the jogger’s Walkman; the description of the jogger’s “Walkman pouch” was similar to Reyes’s description of a “fanny pack.” At the time of this interview, the police had no way of knowing that the jogger had a Walkman or that she carried it in a pouch. Wise also commented on the amount of blood at the spot where the rape occurred. When asked why he was so surprised by the amount of blood, he answered, “I knew she was bleeding but I didn’t know how bad she was. It was really dark. I couldn’t see how much blood there was at night.” https://big.assets.huffingtonpost.com/Armstrong.pdf https://big.assets.huffingtonpost.com/Armstrong.pdf

DuskStar 7y ago
Shit like this significantly contributes to the legitimacy of calling the NYT "fake news". When you tell a story from one side, and one side only... (I don't mean that it's a good thing to call news orgs "fake news". I mean that if someone is already calling you "fake news", you should really take care to have impeccable reporting to avoid giving those accusations weight)
- throwaway987665 7y ago
  The nytimes is very much aware of this report and there is a reason it doesn’t take it seriously https://www.nytimes.com/2003/01/28/nyregion/new-slant-on-jogger-case-lacks-official-certainty.html https://www.nytimes.com/2003/01/28/nyregion/new-slant-on-jog...
  - xrd 7y ago
    That is a very interesting read. Totally different than people here are painting the situation.
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  - throwaway936472 7y ago
    From the New York Times piece: The panel's report veers from other factual records on several points, Mr. Hammerman said this was important proof that the police had not fed a story to the defendants, and that Mr. Wise was speaking from firsthand knowledge. ''We didn't know until now that one of the defendants mentioned a Walkman in a pouch,'' Mr. Hammerman said." In fact, prosecutors have long said that the victim was not wearing a pouch, belt or the kind of Walkman that would be carried at the waist. The victim had been wearing a radio headset that slipped over the head and did not attach to anything else, according to a court filing by the district attorney. It's not nearly so clear cut that the Armstrong report is in the wrong here. Reyes admitted to taking the jogger's Sony AM/FM headset Walkman (though not a cassette walkman that usually attaches at the waist). The jogger confirms that she is missing her Walkman. This is all in the Ryan report that vacated the prosecution, not the Armstrong report. In the motion to vacate, the assistant district attorney Ryan specifically cites as reasoning that Reyes knew about the missing Walkman but that "None of the defendants mentioned the jogger's Walkman." Reyes also says the jogger had a "fanny pack." The jogger says she had a key case attached to her shoe laces of brown Velcro. (This is in another part of the Armstrong report.) The Armstrong report then says about the Wise interview notes: Kharey Wise was questioned at 4:50 AM on April 21, 1989 by Detective Jonza, whose notes list what Wise told him regarding “persons present when girl raped.” (Exhibit E.) Included on the list is the reference “Rudy – played with tits/took walkman.” At the bottom of the page, it is noted, “female had pouch for Walkman on her belt.” Wise’s description of the walkman “pouch” is, therefore, similar to Reyes’s description of a “fanny pack.” At the time of this interview, neither Detective Jonza, nor anyone else investigating the events of the evening, had any way of knowing that the jogger had a Walkman, or a pouch. So the interview notes show that Kharey Wise had accurate knowledge of the event insofar that she had a walkman, a guy took the walkman, and that she had a pouch. On the other hand Kharey Wise had inaccurate knowledge in that the guy was not named Rudy, and the pouch was a fanny pack, not a holder for a walkman. The Armstrong report itself does not appear to be factually wrong in this case. You could accuse the Armstrong of emphasizing the parts of the police notes that match (the taking of the Walkman and the existence of the pouch) and overly discounting the parts of the note that don't match (the name of the guy and the nature of the pouch).