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> "that is not firmly entrenched in whatever ideology the author has" But then you strongly talk about a startup, looking for V.C. funding with strong founder

> "that is not firmly entrenched in whatever ideology the author has" But then you strongly talk about a startup, looking for V.C. funding with strong founder ethos. That's also an ideology. And if you want to do that, go ahead - this clearly isn't for you. But a lot of people don't want to do that. And that's why workers co-ops were started in 1844 and have been going strong since - granted, a small fraction of the market - but a successful small fraction that has survived and is clearly not going away. I'd just suggest people read up on them before dismissing this. And sure, I get that the majority of HN readers probably are going to decide this is not for them. But other people do like them, and have made a success of them, so if your interested at all in the original question, do check them out.

friedman23 7y ago
> But then you strongly talk about a startup, looking for V.C. funding with strong founder ethos. That's also an ideology. Wanting to raise money is an ideology? It's better to describe it as a practical way of expanding a business. > But a lot of people don't want to do that. And that's why workers co-ops were started in 1844 and have been going strong since I just looked it up and there are an estimated 400 coops in the US with around 7000 employees total. This does not qualify as a lot. Almost nobody with the desire to create and run a business wants to run a business this way. Also you missed the most important criticism, which is why is tenure of all things being used to decide who gets how much equity?
- em-bee 7y ago
  > Wanting to raise money is an ideology? it most certainly is. with all the startups i was involved in the decision whether to raise money from VC or to bootstrap ourselves in other ways always came down to the believes of the founders. practical considerations hardly ever mattered.

friedman23 7y ago

> But then you strongly talk about a startup, looking for V.C. funding with strong founder ethos. That's also an ideology. Wanting to raise money is an ideology? It's better to describe it as a practical way of expanding a business. > But a lot of people don't want to do that. And that's why workers co-ops were started in 1844 and have been going strong since I just looked it up and there are an estimated 400 coops in the US with around 7000 employees total. This does not qualify as a lot. Almost nobody with the desire to create and run a business wants to run a business this way. Also you missed the most important criticism, which is why is tenure of all things being used to decide who gets how much equity?

em-bee 7y ago
> Wanting to raise money is an ideology? it most certainly is. with all the startups i was involved in the decision whether to raise money from VC or to bootstrap ourselves in other ways always came down to the believes of the founders. practical considerations hardly ever mattered.