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I believe the true loser in this is Google. If i am any non us, android-reliant phone manufacturer, i am planning my exit strategy. Sure it won't come today or

I believe the true loser in this is Google. If i am any non us, android-reliant phone manufacturer, i am planning my exit strategy. Sure it won't come today or this year, but it is vital for companies to start to distance themselves from google licensing for their own betterment.

ulfw 7y ago
Which US, android-reliant phone manufacturers are there?
- dehrmann 7y ago
  It used to be that Samsung would also be safe because South Korea is a major strategic ally of the US, but with the US using steel and aluminum tariffs on Canada and a tariff on all Mexican exports, strategic allies aren't even safe.
  - SmokeGS 7y ago
    that's pure propaganda
    - inflatableDodo 7y ago
      I am currently wondering what the US reaction will be to the UK, should we refuse to fold to their current demands regarding not only Huawei, but also the demands to change our laws in order to create a more US friendly regulatory environment.
      - johnnycab 7y ago
        The state visit will be eventful. I am guessing we will have some inkling into this matter within the next few days.
        inflatableDodo 7y ago
        As British subjects, we are of course only allowed to divine such knowledge by the correct interpretation of which particular flowers have been chosen to adorn Lizzie's hat and the precise selection of jewelery she is wearing.
        johnnycab 7y ago
        You might be right, but after the pomp and ceremony is over and syrupy vomit of 'special relationship' and some-such has been expelled, hopefully some real business will get done?
        inflatableDodo 7y ago
        I suspect the real business is done slightly in advance, if anything.
        SmokeGS 7y ago
        I believe you're correct
        buckminster 7y ago
        Since the early 80s we've been citizens, not subjects. You can thank Thatcher for that.
        inflatableDodo 7y ago
        Most of us have. Confusingly, there are 6 different types of British nationality, and there are still some British subjects around. https://www.gov.uk/types-of-british-nationality https://www.gov.uk/types-of-british-nationality
        buckminster 7y ago
        Today I learned my late grandparents could have applied for British Subjection!
    - hdfbdtbcdg 7y ago
      Not really. Tariffs have hit e.g. Norway as well. Most of the countries affected are too small to complain - but they are quietly diversifying as a response.
raverbashing 7y ago
The reason Google won is that manufacturers were completely incompetent in coming up with their own phone OSs either because of technical lack of capability or internal politics MS could have had a chance, but they didn't have the vision and Android was the better choice (until now) to most manufacturers
- bad_user 7y ago
  The current issue is that Huawei is blacklisted due to US’s economic war. Microsoft’s Windows Phone would have been no better, quite the contrary, at least you can fork Android, at least it supports alternative app stores.
  - hellofunk 7y ago
    >Huawei is blacklisted due to US’s economic war The trade war is not why this company, in particular, is blacklisted.
    - klez 7y ago
      At this point I have to start doubting anything I read so far, then. What is the reason?
      - zwaps 7y ago
        Ip theft and cirumventing sanctions. To see no relation to the trade war is, however, a tad naive.
        yourbandsucks 7y ago
        Like you say, it's allegedly entirely about the iran sanctions. In practice, it's clearly a trade war thing and I'd be willing to bet quite a bit that there was a personal thing between Huawei's loudmouth CEO and our vindictive president.
        7y ago
friedman23 7y ago
> Sure it won't come today or this year, but it is vital for companies to start to distance themselves from google licensing for their own betterment. Which companies? Why would Samsung and other non-China based smartphone makers feel the need to do this? Also switching away from Android because of the risk of being blacklisted by the US is akin to rebuilding the foundation of your house when it's built on mud. If you get blacklisted by the US losing access to android seems to be the least of your problems.
moosey 7y ago
_All_ US products and licensing are impacted by this incredibly brittle international spat, driven by understandable but sadly misguided sentiments. Each time we do this it strengthens the positions of those whom the current leadership believes to be an 'enemy', because at least they are acting in a fickle manner towards the international community. This attempt by the US to express power economically over... what is China at this point? A cheap and under-regulated labor pool for US consumers? Regardless, this attempt will continue to weaken the economic and diplomatic utilities that the US has available, at least when it is led by nationalistic political leaders.

ulfw 7y ago

Which US, android-reliant phone manufacturers are there?

dehrmann 7y ago
It used to be that Samsung would also be safe because South Korea is a major strategic ally of the US, but with the US using steel and aluminum tariffs on Canada and a tariff on all Mexican exports, strategic allies aren't even safe.
- SmokeGS 7y ago
  that's pure propaganda
  - inflatableDodo 7y ago
    I am currently wondering what the US reaction will be to the UK, should we refuse to fold to their current demands regarding not only Huawei, but also the demands to change our laws in order to create a more US friendly regulatory environment.
    - johnnycab 7y ago
      The state visit will be eventful. I am guessing we will have some inkling into this matter within the next few days.
      - inflatableDodo 7y ago
        As British subjects, we are of course only allowed to divine such knowledge by the correct interpretation of which particular flowers have been chosen to adorn Lizzie's hat and the precise selection of jewelery she is wearing.
        johnnycab 7y ago
        You might be right, but after the pomp and ceremony is over and syrupy vomit of 'special relationship' and some-such has been expelled, hopefully some real business will get done?
        inflatableDodo 7y ago
        I suspect the real business is done slightly in advance, if anything.
        SmokeGS 7y ago
        I believe you're correct
        buckminster 7y ago
        Since the early 80s we've been citizens, not subjects. You can thank Thatcher for that.
        inflatableDodo 7y ago
        Most of us have. Confusingly, there are 6 different types of British nationality, and there are still some British subjects around. https://www.gov.uk/types-of-british-nationality https://www.gov.uk/types-of-british-nationality
        buckminster 7y ago
        Today I learned my late grandparents could have applied for British Subjection!
  - hdfbdtbcdg 7y ago
    Not really. Tariffs have hit e.g. Norway as well. Most of the countries affected are too small to complain - but they are quietly diversifying as a response.

raverbashing 7y ago

The reason Google won is that manufacturers were completely incompetent in coming up with their own phone OSs either because of technical lack of capability or internal politics MS could have had a chance, but they didn't have the vision and Android was the better choice (until now) to most manufacturers

bad_user 7y ago
The current issue is that Huawei is blacklisted due to US’s economic war. Microsoft’s Windows Phone would have been no better, quite the contrary, at least you can fork Android, at least it supports alternative app stores.
- hellofunk 7y ago
  >Huawei is blacklisted due to US’s economic war The trade war is not why this company, in particular, is blacklisted.
  - klez 7y ago
    At this point I have to start doubting anything I read so far, then. What is the reason?
    - zwaps 7y ago
      Ip theft and cirumventing sanctions. To see no relation to the trade war is, however, a tad naive.
      - yourbandsucks 7y ago
        Like you say, it's allegedly entirely about the iran sanctions. In practice, it's clearly a trade war thing and I'd be willing to bet quite a bit that there was a personal thing between Huawei's loudmouth CEO and our vindictive president.
        7y ago

friedman23 7y ago

> Sure it won't come today or this year, but it is vital for companies to start to distance themselves from google licensing for their own betterment. Which companies? Why would Samsung and other non-China based smartphone makers feel the need to do this? Also switching away from Android because of the risk of being blacklisted by the US is akin to rebuilding the foundation of your house when it's built on mud. If you get blacklisted by the US losing access to android seems to be the least of your problems.

moosey 7y ago

_All_ US products and licensing are impacted by this incredibly brittle international spat, driven by understandable but sadly misguided sentiments. Each time we do this it strengthens the positions of those whom the current leadership believes to be an 'enemy', because at least they are acting in a fickle manner towards the international community. This attempt by the US to express power economically over... what is China at this point? A cheap and under-regulated labor pool for US consumers? Regardless, this attempt will continue to weaken the economic and diplomatic utilities that the US has available, at least when it is led by nationalistic political leaders.