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This actually makes me wonder - what makes them unable to sell outside of Europe/USA? I heard of them being kicked out of SD/WiFi associations, but how does thi

• the_economist 7y ago
  It's now illegal for all the major players to sell them microprocessors. Can't build a smartphone without one. "The United States last week blocked Huawei from buying goods made from 25% or more of U.S.-originated technologies or materials"
  • Mirioron 7y ago
    I wonder what the long-term implications will be on American businesses for this. Will non-US major companies be wary of relying on US suppliers?
    • ulfw 7y ago
      That's exactly it. The US is shooting itself in the foot. Because the message this sends to the bigger world is: don't get too successful or we will kill your business. The irony is that that is exactly what western companies blame China for.
      • trophycase 7y ago
        Lol how is that in any way the message being sent, give me a break. This has way more to do with the fact they are Chinese and more or less state sponsored than it has to do with them "being successful"... I genuinely don't understand why people are so quick to defend China.
        • hahan_may 7y ago
          because people has hated U.S., ever since it rescued the world from the tyranny of nazis. It's human psychology.
      • mistermann 7y ago
        > The US is shooting itself in the foot. This is one possible outcome. Another is that China learns to be a bit less self-serving and more cooperative with the rest of the world. > Because the message this sends to the bigger world is: don't get too successful or we will kill your business. That seems like a bit of a biased interpretation. Do you believe the US is literally trying to kill Huawei, or might it be possible that this is a negotiating tactic to get them to realize and acknowledge the value they receive from the rest of the world generously trading with them, by demonstrating the consequences of what happens when someone treats them in the way they treat the rest of the world (I am referring to access to their markets)? > The irony is that that is exactly what western companies blame China for. In the Alanis Morissette sense maybe.
        • scotty79 7y ago
          > Another is that China learns to be a bit less self-serving and more cooperative with the rest of the world. Because they have such a great example given by USA to follow.
          • mistermann 7y ago
            Anything I've read suggests Chinese companies have much less restrictions on setting up operations in the US than vice versa, just one example being the mandatory Chinese partner situation, which is less strict than it used to be so they say. This somewhat common notion that they're "both the same" seems about as accurate as the also somewhat common notion that Chinese and American culture is the same.
        • 8note 7y ago
          The question is whether you think Donald Trump has any actual negotiating chops, or if it's an impulsive response to someone in Huawei making a joke about his hands,or visiting the US but not staying at a Trump hotel when they did
        • jessaustin 7y ago
          ...Alanis Morissette... Any proposition starting with the phrase "the irony is that..." is likely to be an atrocity against the concept of irony. Irony is a property of communication, not of situations. Irony is the rhetorical quality of communicating multiple messages to multiple audiences. Irony is not "coincidence", so it would not apply to a "USA did X and China did X" situation. However, in this case, what China is doing doesn't matter. The public communications of USA elites are heard by multiple audiences. Their subjects are meant to understand "China is dangerous; the world is dangerous; fear everything; don't question the military-industrial complex; don't question the popular news media; we should always be at war." Their fellow elites in China are meant to understand "Representative government is a sham; we are not constrained by our subjects; if we want to deprive our subjects of access to your products we will; also fuck you." Both audiences are getting those messages loud and clear. Isn't it ironic?
  • tyingq 7y ago
    Would be interesting if this ultimately results in a win for RISCV.
    • panpanna 7y ago
      Huawei may support riscv just to piss off ARM. ARM is a british company owned by a Japanese group. Them getting involved must sting much harder than Qualcomm.
• Nokinside 7y ago
  Being kicked out of Android infrastructure kills sales of new models. They will run out of components. They need licenses to manufacture and sell phones in China. Even with all the problems with their IP enforcement, China is not total IP outlaw. They follow the basic rules.
  • ms4720 7y ago
    They have basic rules, follow might be a bit strong
• ekianjo 7y ago
  You need semiconductors to make smartphones. China is mainly doing assembly.
  • panpanna 7y ago
    Nope, China went from assembly lines to owning the entire chain 5-10 years ago (not always by fair play, but still)
• anonffghhuyv 7y ago
  > kicked out of SD/WiFi associations They are back in now.