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This is the manner of thing I expect from Reddit. This is the most important paragraph, to me: ''The act of seeking karma is a sensitive issue on the site. So

This is the manner of thing I expect from Reddit. This is the most important paragraph, to me: ''The act of seeking karma is a sensitive issue on the site. Some users post original content, or stuff that they only make themselves. These users, Redditors will tell you, are respectable because their pursuit of karma is funded by their own work and energy. But the site’s system is volatile, and not all original content is well-received. Karma whores know this in their core. Karma whores learn to be clinical and bot-like. Karma whores make nothing themselves and often pull their content from users on other sites without crediting. This recklessness, Redditors will tell you, reveals the true emptiness dwelling inside these people.'' You see much of the same behaviour here. I've noticed this manner of website tends to avoid discussing the issues with upvotes and downvotes; they're only good in theory and are constantly abused in practice; discussions of gaming the system are also typically taboo. It's clear to any idiot that if you want Internet points on Hacker News, you simply spend time uploading the work of others and collecting the value ascribed to that which you had nothing to do with. The only reason I made this account was to promote my work to a wider audience, only to find that no one on ''Hacker'' ''News'' was interested in the least. None of my work has received even a single comment. That's another issue with voting systems; people are led to believe a vote may as well be a comment, so they don't write one. Anyway, the utter disgust and disappointment I've experienced and also seen secondhand for some others I hold in good regard towards this place has led me to implement my own comment system, so as to be free from trying to appeal to this place. I'd delete this account, being sick of this nonsense already, but it's my understanding the posts would remain indefinitely, so I'll keep this account to make posts such as this, giving my opinion on these things I find wrong here.

skinnymuch 7y ago
Your points may be valid but your post makes it seem like you’re mostly just upset your submissions didn’t get any recognition. I don’t think HN is a bastion of meritocracy or being amazing either FYI.
- verisimilitudes 7y ago
  >Your points may be valid but your post makes it seem like you’re mostly just upset your submissions didn’t get any recognition. I'm certainly not pleased about it. >I don’t think HN is a bastion of meritocracy or being amazing either FYI. Part of the issue is with the name, perhaps. This website portrays itself as a hacker venue, but my Lisp and machine code articles receive nothing, whereas people wrapping HTML and JavaScript around programs others wrote, reimplementing something worse in Rust, or even commenting on something that happened on Reddit receives hundreds of comments and Internet points. I couldn't care less about the points, but surely you understand it would be frustrating for a place that claims to be about hackers to do this. Perhaps I wouldn't feel this way if it had remained Startup News. Of particular note and relevant to this main topic, I wasn't the first to submit my articles to Hacker News. Someone else was in an IRC channel with me discussing one of my projects and, in pursuit of Internet points, uploaded it without even asking me. To see my work put on Hacker News so someone could get points is one thing and then for it to be entirely ignored is an additional insult. Surely you understand some of how I feel, with this.
  - skinnymuch 7y ago
    How does the website portray itself in that way? Or claim in any way? I don’t think it does. Besides the name of the site? A name doesn’t mean much. It’s just that. Not a description. A common example is the name of various political parties and powers that has little or nothing to do with what they are. It actually would be weird for YCombinator’s only news aggregator site to be only about hard programming “hacking”. It’s an established huge incubator of startups. So naturally the news aggregator site itself will be broader than just hard programming “hacking” as YC has matured. Also I assumed hacking has multiple meanings. Hacking together code is a common enough phrase. So that would include doing web dev stuff. The front page doesn’t usually consist of just html wrappers. I think you are blaming something that isn’t a problem. The problem seems to be this site isn’t what you want. And the site never pretended to be what you wanted either. And the whole point of news aggregators is for anyone to be able to post something. You’re again upset at the whole point of this site. There was no illusion or trickery. This is how modern Web 2.0 news aggregators work. You’re also assuming the person did it for internet points. And upset at that. Which makes it seem like you want to do it for internet points.
labster 7y ago
Ok, let me read one of your posts... > Ultimately, in the pursuit of simplicity, a flag octet would be avoided, as all my thinking would leave half of it unused and that I find poor, and so the final format is as follows: sixteen octets indicate the IPv4 or IPv6 address, with all zeroes indicating a system action; three octets represent the time, likely with fifteen bits representing the year as an integer and nine bits representing the day within that year; an octet has its top two bits determine if the request successfully completed and if the selector ended properly, with the latter six being used for a length of the only variable-length component, the selector itself. Holy run-on sentence, Batman. You have two problems, the presentation of the topics aren't all that engaging, and your writing style could use some improvement. As a writer myself, I have to wonder how many revisions that went through. I need at least three drafts with days between them before I publish anything substantial. Examples of real life applications might make it more interesting as well -- a lot of the drama of HN stories are where the design didn't quite work in the implementation.
- verisimilitudes 7y ago
  >Holy run-on sentence, Batman. I'm supposing you'd suggest I use a list format where each item is on its own line, then? I may make that change. >You have two problems, the presentation of the topics aren't all that engaging, and your writing style could use some improvement. As a writer myself, I have to wonder how many revisions that went through. Some of my work goes through several revisions since publishing and some hasn't gone under any yet. >Examples of real life applications might make it more interesting as well -- a lot of the drama of HN stories are where the design didn't quite work in the implementation. This wasn't my most exciting article, by any means. I have a Common Lisp library I've written that's rather well-documented. I suppose I could submit that next, as something more interesting. I appreciate the critique.
- dragonwriter 7y ago
  > Holy run-on sentence, Batman. That's a long sentence, but not a run-on.
mankeysee 7y ago
Hey I'd comment on your stuff but those are completely out of domain of knowledge. And on big popular sites, getting attention to your content is mostly a matter of luck. Or if you care enough you can see the relation between votes and time of the day etc and use this knowledge to your advantage.
wutman 7y ago
Skimmed your two submissions and have 2 suggestions-- 1) cull your words relentlessly. 2) write in a reader-centric, not you-centric way. Your articles don't grab reader interest.

skinnymuch 7y ago

Your points may be valid but your post makes it seem like you’re mostly just upset your submissions didn’t get any recognition. I don’t think HN is a bastion of meritocracy or being amazing either FYI.

verisimilitudes 7y ago
>Your points may be valid but your post makes it seem like you’re mostly just upset your submissions didn’t get any recognition. I'm certainly not pleased about it. >I don’t think HN is a bastion of meritocracy or being amazing either FYI. Part of the issue is with the name, perhaps. This website portrays itself as a hacker venue, but my Lisp and machine code articles receive nothing, whereas people wrapping HTML and JavaScript around programs others wrote, reimplementing something worse in Rust, or even commenting on something that happened on Reddit receives hundreds of comments and Internet points. I couldn't care less about the points, but surely you understand it would be frustrating for a place that claims to be about hackers to do this. Perhaps I wouldn't feel this way if it had remained Startup News. Of particular note and relevant to this main topic, I wasn't the first to submit my articles to Hacker News. Someone else was in an IRC channel with me discussing one of my projects and, in pursuit of Internet points, uploaded it without even asking me. To see my work put on Hacker News so someone could get points is one thing and then for it to be entirely ignored is an additional insult. Surely you understand some of how I feel, with this.
- skinnymuch 7y ago
  How does the website portray itself in that way? Or claim in any way? I don’t think it does. Besides the name of the site? A name doesn’t mean much. It’s just that. Not a description. A common example is the name of various political parties and powers that has little or nothing to do with what they are. It actually would be weird for YCombinator’s only news aggregator site to be only about hard programming “hacking”. It’s an established huge incubator of startups. So naturally the news aggregator site itself will be broader than just hard programming “hacking” as YC has matured. Also I assumed hacking has multiple meanings. Hacking together code is a common enough phrase. So that would include doing web dev stuff. The front page doesn’t usually consist of just html wrappers. I think you are blaming something that isn’t a problem. The problem seems to be this site isn’t what you want. And the site never pretended to be what you wanted either. And the whole point of news aggregators is for anyone to be able to post something. You’re again upset at the whole point of this site. There was no illusion or trickery. This is how modern Web 2.0 news aggregators work. You’re also assuming the person did it for internet points. And upset at that. Which makes it seem like you want to do it for internet points.

labster 7y ago

Ok, let me read one of your posts... > Ultimately, in the pursuit of simplicity, a flag octet would be avoided, as all my thinking would leave half of it unused and that I find poor, and so the final format is as follows: sixteen octets indicate the IPv4 or IPv6 address, with all zeroes indicating a system action; three octets represent the time, likely with fifteen bits representing the year as an integer and nine bits representing the day within that year; an octet has its top two bits determine if the request successfully completed and if the selector ended properly, with the latter six being used for a length of the only variable-length component, the selector itself. Holy run-on sentence, Batman. You have two problems, the presentation of the topics aren't all that engaging, and your writing style could use some improvement. As a writer myself, I have to wonder how many revisions that went through. I need at least three drafts with days between them before I publish anything substantial. Examples of real life applications might make it more interesting as well -- a lot of the drama of HN stories are where the design didn't quite work in the implementation.

verisimilitudes 7y ago
>Holy run-on sentence, Batman. I'm supposing you'd suggest I use a list format where each item is on its own line, then? I may make that change. >You have two problems, the presentation of the topics aren't all that engaging, and your writing style could use some improvement. As a writer myself, I have to wonder how many revisions that went through. Some of my work goes through several revisions since publishing and some hasn't gone under any yet. >Examples of real life applications might make it more interesting as well -- a lot of the drama of HN stories are where the design didn't quite work in the implementation. This wasn't my most exciting article, by any means. I have a Common Lisp library I've written that's rather well-documented. I suppose I could submit that next, as something more interesting. I appreciate the critique.
dragonwriter 7y ago
> Holy run-on sentence, Batman. That's a long sentence, but not a run-on.

mankeysee 7y ago

Hey I'd comment on your stuff but those are completely out of domain of knowledge. And on big popular sites, getting attention to your content is mostly a matter of luck. Or if you care enough you can see the relation between votes and time of the day etc and use this knowledge to your advantage.

wutman 7y ago

Skimmed your two submissions and have 2 suggestions-- 1) cull your words relentlessly. 2) write in a reader-centric, not you-centric way. Your articles don't grab reader interest.