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> helping you (whichever side you find yourself on!) Consider the case where a supervisor makes unwanted physical contact with a subordinate. I wouldn't be so

> helping you (whichever side you find yourself on!) Consider the case where a supervisor makes unwanted physical contact with a subordinate. I wouldn't be so quick to assume that the company would hand over evidence to the subordinate if s/he made the claim. If they act in the best interest of the company, they would delete the footage and reprimand the superior. What company would hand over evidence that could cost them an expensive harassment suit? Cameras can absolutely be a liability [1]: > a partner at a big law firm came up afterward to say that his firm had taken out the security cameras in its stairwells. “We picked up so much sexual activity on the cameras, after midnight, that it was a liability to have the videotape in our possession [1] https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2013-04-16/the-truth-about-sex-at-work https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2013-04-16/the-truth...

bsder 7y ago
Where do these people work? And how do I get a job there? Seriously, though. Even when I was a cooperative engineering student (ie. low 20's ages, lot's of partying, everybody pretty far from home for 3 months), people weren't fucking in the stairwells. Good grief. Most of the places I worked, I generally have difficulty coming up with a single person who I would even want to have sex with.
- couchand 7y ago
  Thank you for your contribution, you have certainly helped to elevate the conversation.
  - bsder 7y ago
    I am expressing (hopefully humorous) disbelief in the provided claims given my own experience. As you apparently don't have relevant experience, you seem to be unable to add or subtract authenticity to the claims. I suspect an uncharitable answer is: "One or more of our senior partners likes to accost people in the stairwells." A more charitable explanation is that it could be a more "New York" thing in that people are at the office, drunk, late for various reasons (office parking is a good spot to park the car for late events; hit the office before riding mass transit for 30-40 minutes for a pit stop; etc.)
- JudgeWapner 7y ago
  they work in biglaw. They are ivy-league-educated over-achievers who are in multiple-6-figures of student loan debt. They already beat the odds to even get the job, then have ~5 years to work as an 'associate' lawyer making roughly what an experienced software engineer makes (this is after or contingent upon passing the bar exam, and many biglaw firms are in NY or CA which have two of the top-5 most difficult bar exams to pass) before they either are promoted to partner or get fired. This is not to mention putting up with acerbic and powerful coworkers, putting in 60-80 hours/week, while always being one mistake away from being fired. I don't wish that fate on anybody. checkout abovethelaw.com or the series Suits (it's heavily fictionalized, but it gives you a good perspective) for an insider's look at that lifestyle.
- vidarh 7y ago
  Consider offices of thousands of people who often work past midnight for weeks on end. My ex worked at a top-10 lawfirm - their IT and building support teams worked in shifts so that you could get food brought or documents printed 24/7. In many of these firms, people have little to no life outside the office. My ex told me one of the female partners had talked to her about how it worked quite well to mix with family: she said good night to her children every night, by video call. In an environment like that when you have thousands of people who often find themselves working late and having no other outlet, of course stuff goes on in the office. While she was there a partner was caught on camera with one of his secretaries in the company pool.
01100011 7y ago
Lack of evidence is evidence. If the law firm deletes footage in an effort to protect the supervisor, they have to explain why they lost the evidence.

bsder 7y ago

Where do these people work? And how do I get a job there? Seriously, though. Even when I was a cooperative engineering student (ie. low 20's ages, lot's of partying, everybody pretty far from home for 3 months), people weren't fucking in the stairwells. Good grief. Most of the places I worked, I generally have difficulty coming up with a single person who I would even want to have sex with.

couchand 7y ago
Thank you for your contribution, you have certainly helped to elevate the conversation.
- bsder 7y ago
  I am expressing (hopefully humorous) disbelief in the provided claims given my own experience. As you apparently don't have relevant experience, you seem to be unable to add or subtract authenticity to the claims. I suspect an uncharitable answer is: "One or more of our senior partners likes to accost people in the stairwells." A more charitable explanation is that it could be a more "New York" thing in that people are at the office, drunk, late for various reasons (office parking is a good spot to park the car for late events; hit the office before riding mass transit for 30-40 minutes for a pit stop; etc.)
JudgeWapner 7y ago
they work in biglaw. They are ivy-league-educated over-achievers who are in multiple-6-figures of student loan debt. They already beat the odds to even get the job, then have ~5 years to work as an 'associate' lawyer making roughly what an experienced software engineer makes (this is after or contingent upon passing the bar exam, and many biglaw firms are in NY or CA which have two of the top-5 most difficult bar exams to pass) before they either are promoted to partner or get fired. This is not to mention putting up with acerbic and powerful coworkers, putting in 60-80 hours/week, while always being one mistake away from being fired. I don't wish that fate on anybody. checkout abovethelaw.com or the series Suits (it's heavily fictionalized, but it gives you a good perspective) for an insider's look at that lifestyle.
vidarh 7y ago
Consider offices of thousands of people who often work past midnight for weeks on end. My ex worked at a top-10 lawfirm - their IT and building support teams worked in shifts so that you could get food brought or documents printed 24/7. In many of these firms, people have little to no life outside the office. My ex told me one of the female partners had talked to her about how it worked quite well to mix with family: she said good night to her children every night, by video call. In an environment like that when you have thousands of people who often find themselves working late and having no other outlet, of course stuff goes on in the office. While she was there a partner was caught on camera with one of his secretaries in the company pool.

01100011 7y ago

Lack of evidence is evidence. If the law firm deletes footage in an effort to protect the supervisor, they have to explain why they lost the evidence.