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As a gay person, I definitely get less reamed by Democrats... Can we please stop with the false equivalences? The entire system might be garbage, but I can tell

by senser 7y ago

As a gay person, I definitely get less reamed by Democrats... Can we please stop with the false equivalences? The entire system might be garbage, but I can tell you who is and is not trying to take away my rights.

RickJWagner 7y ago
Serious question-- which of your rights are endangered? (Citations, please)
- CydeWeys 7y ago
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_same-sex_marriage_in_the_United_States https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_same-sex_marriage_i... Guess which party was in favor of it, and which was against it. This happened recently, within your living memory.
  - berberous 7y ago
    Hilary Clinton was quoted as saying a marriage is always between a man and a woman and did not support gay marriage until like 2013. Supposedly liberal California overturned the courts ruling on this issue with prop 8 in 2008. I think Republicans, being conservatives, definitely took longer to move on this issue than Democrats, but I think this is an area where the country as a whole shifted a lot over the recent past.
    - varelse 7y ago
      Not that I like either party particularly much (and I might even hate the democrats more for being supposedly aligned with my views, but mostly seemingly into disagreeing with each other No True Scotsman style), but even as a straight dude, the Democrats are unambiguously better than the republicans on gay rights IMO. What is funny (at least to me) though is the huge peak in activity on Grindr during republican conventions. To be fair, the republicans as a group are way better on nuclear power despite denying climate change. https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/9aeen8/cleveland-was-bombarded-with-white-dudes-on-grindr-during-the-rnc https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/9aeen8/cleveland-was-bomb...
    - CydeWeys 7y ago
      Yeah, but then she did end up actually supporting it (and that statement was a pathetic triangulation on her part, which is part of why I never liked her all that much anyway). Most of today's Republicans never supported it and just went along with it begrudgingly after the Supreme Court case was lost. Some are still fighting it. It's very clear that the modern Democratic party overall was in favor of legalizing gay marriage and that the modern Republican party overall was against it. And that, to this day, Democrats are still much better on LGBT issues than Republicans.
  - RickJWagner 7y ago
    Yes, but Civil Rights were overwhelmingly supported by Republicans and opposed by Democrats. (Just slightly outside my living memory.) Once the tide turns (on almost any issue) both parties are pretty similar. It went that way with Civil Rights (when LBJ embraced it) and seems to be that way with gay issues today. Just this week President Trump tweeted a pro-gay message. I think this one is over. There's not a big difference in what the parties are offering, as far as I can tell. It's not a big platform issue for either side.
    - locopati 7y ago
      What he says doesn't matter what he does matters. And so far his administration has been removing transgender rights everywhere it can. What makes anyone think he's going to stop with one minority group?
    - drewbug01 7y ago
      > Just this week President Trump tweeted a pro-gay message Ye shall know them by their fruits: https://mobile.twitter.com/cmclymer/status/1134554802329915393 https://mobile.twitter.com/cmclymer/status/11345548023299153... Make no mistake - LGBT rights are under direct attack by the Trump administration. We are likely to see major setbacks in the near future under the guise of “religious freedom.” Take it from someone with a vested interest in the subject (I’m quite gay): this one isn’t over.
    - CydeWeys 7y ago
      The parties have changed a lot over the years. You can't look back at something that happened half a century ago and make sense of it within today's political framework. Many of the people whose morals lead them to vote for the Democrats today would be voting for the Republicans half a century ago. You're hearkening back to before the entire southern strategy! https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Southern_strategy https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Southern_strategy This one isn't over, unfortunately. Many Republican elected officials are still very hostile to LGBT rights, including continued pushes to discriminate against transgender people. Sexual orientation and gender identity are NOT protected classes in most states, and many Republicans are calling to protect discrimination against LGBT individuals under the guise of freedom of religion. The gay people I know are very afraid of what today's Republicans are doing. It's simply not true that it's over.

by senser 7y ago

RickJWagner 7y ago

Serious question-- which of your rights are endangered? (Citations, please)

CydeWeys 7y ago
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_same-sex_marriage_in_the_United_States https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_same-sex_marriage_i... Guess which party was in favor of it, and which was against it. This happened recently, within your living memory.
- berberous 7y ago
  Hilary Clinton was quoted as saying a marriage is always between a man and a woman and did not support gay marriage until like 2013. Supposedly liberal California overturned the courts ruling on this issue with prop 8 in 2008. I think Republicans, being conservatives, definitely took longer to move on this issue than Democrats, but I think this is an area where the country as a whole shifted a lot over the recent past.
  - varelse 7y ago
    Not that I like either party particularly much (and I might even hate the democrats more for being supposedly aligned with my views, but mostly seemingly into disagreeing with each other No True Scotsman style), but even as a straight dude, the Democrats are unambiguously better than the republicans on gay rights IMO. What is funny (at least to me) though is the huge peak in activity on Grindr during republican conventions. To be fair, the republicans as a group are way better on nuclear power despite denying climate change. https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/9aeen8/cleveland-was-bombarded-with-white-dudes-on-grindr-during-the-rnc https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/9aeen8/cleveland-was-bomb...
  - CydeWeys 7y ago
    Yeah, but then she did end up actually supporting it (and that statement was a pathetic triangulation on her part, which is part of why I never liked her all that much anyway). Most of today's Republicans never supported it and just went along with it begrudgingly after the Supreme Court case was lost. Some are still fighting it. It's very clear that the modern Democratic party overall was in favor of legalizing gay marriage and that the modern Republican party overall was against it. And that, to this day, Democrats are still much better on LGBT issues than Republicans.
- RickJWagner 7y ago
  Yes, but Civil Rights were overwhelmingly supported by Republicans and opposed by Democrats. (Just slightly outside my living memory.) Once the tide turns (on almost any issue) both parties are pretty similar. It went that way with Civil Rights (when LBJ embraced it) and seems to be that way with gay issues today. Just this week President Trump tweeted a pro-gay message. I think this one is over. There's not a big difference in what the parties are offering, as far as I can tell. It's not a big platform issue for either side.
  - locopati 7y ago
    What he says doesn't matter what he does matters. And so far his administration has been removing transgender rights everywhere it can. What makes anyone think he's going to stop with one minority group?
  - drewbug01 7y ago
    > Just this week President Trump tweeted a pro-gay message Ye shall know them by their fruits: https://mobile.twitter.com/cmclymer/status/1134554802329915393 https://mobile.twitter.com/cmclymer/status/11345548023299153... Make no mistake - LGBT rights are under direct attack by the Trump administration. We are likely to see major setbacks in the near future under the guise of “religious freedom.” Take it from someone with a vested interest in the subject (I’m quite gay): this one isn’t over.
  - CydeWeys 7y ago
    The parties have changed a lot over the years. You can't look back at something that happened half a century ago and make sense of it within today's political framework. Many of the people whose morals lead them to vote for the Democrats today would be voting for the Republicans half a century ago. You're hearkening back to before the entire southern strategy! https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Southern_strategy https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Southern_strategy This one isn't over, unfortunately. Many Republican elected officials are still very hostile to LGBT rights, including continued pushes to discriminate against transgender people. Sexual orientation and gender identity are NOT protected classes in most states, and many Republicans are calling to protect discrimination against LGBT individuals under the guise of freedom of religion. The gay people I know are very afraid of what today's Republicans are doing. It's simply not true that it's over.