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This is what happens when you believe you're the greatest country in the world and that anyone trying to visit is up to no good and just wants to overstay their

This is what happens when you believe you're the greatest country in the world and that anyone trying to visit is up to no good and just wants to overstay their visa and take advantage of your amazing system. The reality couldn't be any further from that!

ccrush 7y ago
If the reality couldn't be further from that, how do you explain that nearly everyone in the world thst wants a better life comes to the United States?
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- graeme 7y ago
  Do you have any numbers to support your statement? I just looked up migration stats from the UN, and found: 1. The vast bulk of migrants do not go to the US 2. International share of migrants has grown much faster than the US share The US has a large overall number of immigrants as it is a large country, but per capita many countries are taking in more. Canada takes in about 3x per capita for example.
  - jeena 7y ago
    Here is a nice info-graphic about it: https://www.forbes.com/sites/niallmccarthy/2017/04/03/lebanon-still-has-hosts-the-most-refugees-per-capita-by-far-infographic/#62c26eee3970 https://www.forbes.com/sites/niallmccarthy/2017/04/03/lebano...
- PeterStuer 7y ago
  'Everyone in the world' does not. That you think that shows your incredible myopic bias.
- jeena 7y ago
  That is what basically every country says about themselves: - https://www.welt.de/politik/ausland/article177733806/Neue-EU-Migrationsstatistik-Die-meisten-Asylsuchenden-kommen-nach-Deutschland.html https://www.welt.de/politik/ausland/article177733806/Neue-EU... - https://www.metro.se/artikel/nej-eu-planerar-inte-att-placera-440-miljoner-flyktingar-i-sverige https://www.metro.se/artikel/nej-eu-planerar-inte-att-placer...
microcolonel 7y ago
What? America's great and a lot of people indeed try to overstay visas and take advantage of the system. This is an easily established fact. Just last week, a thousand people in one solitary moment on one day formed a line and forced their way into the country for the privilege of being an unwelcome, tenuous inhabitant; that's how much some people want to be in the U.S. This is the wrong line of argument if you just want to say that it's inappropriate for the government to scrutinize social media posts as part of the visa application process. You're setting yourself up to defend an unnecessary point rather than the actual argument.
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- pryce 7y ago
  It is an historical fact that the United States has profoundly and repeatedly screwed over nearly every single nation south of it on the two American continents, starting coups to topple democratically elected governments, invading, supporting dictators, and destroying economies over the last century. I think claims about economic migrants and/or refugees that don't acknowledge this background are absurd. But now I'm physically reluctant to type out this fact, because it could conceivably jeopardize my next visa application. The values and freedoms that people picture America stands for, and that it bases its claims to legitimacy on -freedom of thought and speech, democracy, for example- aren't values that America has any interest in upholding for people outside its own borders, instead it repeatedly shows contempt for them; and in the case of dozens of minorities (ethnic, religious, gender and sexual) it shows little interest in upholding these values and freedoms for its own citizens. It's mind-numbing to me that Americans speaking to non-Americans who might begin to encounter reasons why American foreign policy in particular is littered with atrocities will now be even less exposed to that information of that because of the chilling effect of social media screening.
  - microcolonel 7y ago
    > It is an historical fact that the United States has profoundly and repeatedly screwed over nearly every single nation south of it on the two American continents, starting coups to topple democratically elected governments, invading, supporting dictators, and destroying economies over the last century. I think claims about economic migrants and/or refugees that don't acknowledge this background are absurd. Dude, I just said that people want to be in the U.S. I didn't write an essay on the ultimate moral high ground of America, nor claim that they've done no wrong. I just said many people attempt to illegally enter the country because they want to be there. >But now I'm physically reluctant to type out this fact, because it could conceivably jeopardize my next visa application. The values and freedoms that people picture America stands for, and that it bases its claims to legitimacy on -freedom of thought and speech, democracy, for example- aren't values that America has any interest in upholding for people outside its own borders, instead it repeatedly shows contempt for them; and in the case of dozens of minorities (ethnic, religious, gender and sexual) it shows little interest in upholding these values and freedoms for its own citizens. Well, if you hate the place so much, then why apply for a visa? As for the U.S. "upholding" "freedom of thought and speech" "outside its own borders", that is entirely outside its remit, and it seems that countries outside the U.S' borders have no interest in upholding freedom of speech anywhere (including at home), how exactly is the U.S. supposed to ensure the civil rights of people it does not govern, in countries where those civil rights are not protected?
sys_64738 7y ago
American people are wonderful and there is no better place to be IMO but the current government is not representative of this great majority. Please don't blame us all for Trump and his cretins.

ccrush 7y ago

If the reality couldn't be further from that, how do you explain that nearly everyone in the world thst wants a better life comes to the United States?

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graeme 7y ago
Do you have any numbers to support your statement? I just looked up migration stats from the UN, and found: 1. The vast bulk of migrants do not go to the US 2. International share of migrants has grown much faster than the US share The US has a large overall number of immigrants as it is a large country, but per capita many countries are taking in more. Canada takes in about 3x per capita for example.
- jeena 7y ago
  Here is a nice info-graphic about it: https://www.forbes.com/sites/niallmccarthy/2017/04/03/lebanon-still-has-hosts-the-most-refugees-per-capita-by-far-infographic/#62c26eee3970 https://www.forbes.com/sites/niallmccarthy/2017/04/03/lebano...
PeterStuer 7y ago
'Everyone in the world' does not. That you think that shows your incredible myopic bias.
jeena 7y ago
That is what basically every country says about themselves: - https://www.welt.de/politik/ausland/article177733806/Neue-EU-Migrationsstatistik-Die-meisten-Asylsuchenden-kommen-nach-Deutschland.html https://www.welt.de/politik/ausland/article177733806/Neue-EU... - https://www.metro.se/artikel/nej-eu-planerar-inte-att-placera-440-miljoner-flyktingar-i-sverige https://www.metro.se/artikel/nej-eu-planerar-inte-att-placer...

microcolonel 7y ago

What? America's great and a lot of people indeed try to overstay visas and take advantage of the system. This is an easily established fact. Just last week, a thousand people in one solitary moment on one day formed a line and forced their way into the country for the privilege of being an unwelcome, tenuous inhabitant; that's how much some people want to be in the U.S. This is the wrong line of argument if you just want to say that it's inappropriate for the government to scrutinize social media posts as part of the visa application process. You're setting yourself up to defend an unnecessary point rather than the actual argument.

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pryce 7y ago
It is an historical fact that the United States has profoundly and repeatedly screwed over nearly every single nation south of it on the two American continents, starting coups to topple democratically elected governments, invading, supporting dictators, and destroying economies over the last century. I think claims about economic migrants and/or refugees that don't acknowledge this background are absurd. But now I'm physically reluctant to type out this fact, because it could conceivably jeopardize my next visa application. The values and freedoms that people picture America stands for, and that it bases its claims to legitimacy on -freedom of thought and speech, democracy, for example- aren't values that America has any interest in upholding for people outside its own borders, instead it repeatedly shows contempt for them; and in the case of dozens of minorities (ethnic, religious, gender and sexual) it shows little interest in upholding these values and freedoms for its own citizens. It's mind-numbing to me that Americans speaking to non-Americans who might begin to encounter reasons why American foreign policy in particular is littered with atrocities will now be even less exposed to that information of that because of the chilling effect of social media screening.
- microcolonel 7y ago
  > It is an historical fact that the United States has profoundly and repeatedly screwed over nearly every single nation south of it on the two American continents, starting coups to topple democratically elected governments, invading, supporting dictators, and destroying economies over the last century. I think claims about economic migrants and/or refugees that don't acknowledge this background are absurd. Dude, I just said that people want to be in the U.S. I didn't write an essay on the ultimate moral high ground of America, nor claim that they've done no wrong. I just said many people attempt to illegally enter the country because they want to be there. >But now I'm physically reluctant to type out this fact, because it could conceivably jeopardize my next visa application. The values and freedoms that people picture America stands for, and that it bases its claims to legitimacy on -freedom of thought and speech, democracy, for example- aren't values that America has any interest in upholding for people outside its own borders, instead it repeatedly shows contempt for them; and in the case of dozens of minorities (ethnic, religious, gender and sexual) it shows little interest in upholding these values and freedoms for its own citizens. Well, if you hate the place so much, then why apply for a visa? As for the U.S. "upholding" "freedom of thought and speech" "outside its own borders", that is entirely outside its remit, and it seems that countries outside the U.S' borders have no interest in upholding freedom of speech anywhere (including at home), how exactly is the U.S. supposed to ensure the civil rights of people it does not govern, in countries where those civil rights are not protected?

sys_64738 7y ago

American people are wonderful and there is no better place to be IMO but the current government is not representative of this great majority. Please don't blame us all for Trump and his cretins.