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Could also be that young people have very little representation when it comes to laws, policies and regulations.

by sysbin 7y ago

onlyrealcuzzo 7y ago
As in their taxes have been in increased to keep unsustainable pension programs humming along?
dev_dull 7y ago
The counter argument to this is that their representation is arguably higher now than any other time in history, so more representation (falsely) equates to less wealth by your supposition.
Alex3917 7y ago
Millennials are the largest voting block in the US. They have more representation than any other demographic.
- sjg007 7y ago
  They just need to actually vote..
  - lbotos 7y ago
    According to Pew, They did: https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2017/07/31/gen-zers-millennials-and-gen-xers-outvoted-boomers-and-older-generations-in-2016-election/ https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2017/07/31/gen-zers-mi...
    - sjg007 7y ago
      Right, but not in the same proportion as the other groups.
  - tamaharbor 7y ago
    “If voting made any difference, they wouldn’t let us do it.”
- JumpCrisscross 7y ago
  > Millennials are the largest voting block in the US. They have more representation than any other demographic Eh, millennials are a large population block. As a voting block, we're borderline useless [1]. And that's just voter turnout. The more important forms of participation--showing up to meetings--tends to show single-digit participation. [1] https://www.census.gov/library/visualizations/2017/comm/voting-rates-age.html https://www.census.gov/library/visualizations/2017/comm/voti...
  - tomjakubowski 7y ago
    The graphic does say that the demographic aged 18-29 was the only one to see an increase in turnout between 2012 and 2016. But anyway, millennial voting was a lot more impactful in 2018. https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2019/5/29/18644145/vote-2018-election-gen-x-z-millennials-baby-boomers https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2019/5/29/18644145/v...
    - JumpCrisscross 7y ago
      > millennial voting was a lot more impactful in 2018 It’s swinging up. But participation rates—see the second chart in your article—are still abysmal. (I’m optimistic.)
    - isostatic 7y ago
      There’s a seismic shift going on in voting in the UK. The traditional two parties are falling to bits - the old and uneducated are voting for Farage, the young and educated are voting for Lib Dem and Green, leaving the current bug parties - the ones of Thatcher and Blair - 4th or even 5th in the polls. It is hard to separate the youth vote - when it bothers to turn up, from the educated vote, as the majority of people with degrees are under 40
  - Meandering 7y ago
    Subjective: I think voting for our financial incentive has been obfuscated by the recent "authoritarian" vs "socialism" platform the Republican and Democrat have been pushing. We can't vote for what makes sense because we are voting on vague and diluted ideologies that will not find compromise. Even if I go out to vote, I can't vote for conventional fiscal responsibility. At least when we had "political fluff" vs "extreme rhetoric" there was an opportunity to compromise and move forward.
- MR4D 7y ago
  But they don’t vote. [1] [1] - https://www.npr.org/2016/05/16/478237882/millennials-now-rival-boomers-as-a-political-force-but-will-they-actually-vote https://www.npr.org/2016/05/16/478237882/millennials-now-riv... EDIT: added source
  - watwut 7y ago
    They vote pretty much as often as young people in past did. There is nothing special about voting and this generation.
- zanny 7y ago
  Just because you have the most voters doesn't mean you have the most representation. Feel free to ask minorities in cities for a century how their majorities worked for them.
  - JimiofEden 7y ago
    Not to completely sidestep the point, but the sentence you wrote really shows off some of the more intriguing points of our language: "Feel free to ask minorities in cities for a century how their majorities worked for them"
    - zanny 7y ago
      "Free free to ask minorities that have been living in cities with majorities for the last century how well that has been working out for them." That would be the "don't write it on a phone touch keyboard and try to abbreviate the sentence as much as possible" version.
- 4ntonius8lock 7y ago
  Yeap, and legally enforced age discrimination means we can't actually take many offices. We can vote for old farts. We just can't be elected. Double think starts: But that isn't discrimination. Because it is legal. Instead it is called 'age of candidacy'.
  - MagicPropmaker 7y ago
    The only age requirement that would affect "millennials" is the constitutionally-defined minimum age for the President, which is 35.
    - 4ntonius8lock 7y ago
      The fact that you are stating something so easily disprovable, and that I'm getting down voted speaks volumes on the state of social acceptance of age discrimination. I'll quote from the wikipedia: "In the United States, a person must be aged 35 or over to be President or Vice President. To be a Senator, a person must be aged 30 or over. To be a Representative, a person must be aged 25 or older. This is specified in the U.S. Constitution. Most states in the U.S. also have age requirements for the offices of Governor, State Senator, and State Representative" Also, let's be clear. Generally a Senator or Congressman has a long history of local public office before being a Senator or Congressman. Young people are locked out of those offices until AT LEAST 30. That means, they start running for some small office in their mid 30s, to end in higher office at a much older age. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Age_of_candidacy_laws_in_the_United_States https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Age_of_candidacy_laws_in_the_U...
      - RhysU 7y ago
        Imagine how you would feel towards a teenager who complained he or she couldn't run for president. Age doesn't necessitate wisdom, but wow are they positively correlated.
        waterhouse 7y ago
        Sounds like a teenager wouldn't be a viable candidate for president, then, in which case why does there need to be a rule forbidding it?
- YokoZar 7y ago
  Millenials are distribued evenly throughout every electoral district. Without proportional representation, it's a perfect gerrymander.
- StreamBright 7y ago
  True however, even with that people are less represented than corporations. https://www.cambridge.org/core/journals/perspectives-on-politics/article/testing-theories-of-american-politics-elites-interest-groups-and-average-citizens/62327F513959D0A304D4893B382B992B https://www.cambridge.org/core/journals/perspectives-on-poli... "Multivariate analysis indicates that economic elites and organized groups representing business interests have substantial independent impacts on U.S. government policy, while average citizens and mass-based interest groups have little or no independent influence. The results provide substantial support for theories of Economic-Elite Domination and for theories of Biased Pluralism, but not for theories of Majoritarian Electoral Democracy or Majoritarian Pluralism."

Could also be that young people have very little representation when it comes to laws, policies and regulations.

by sysbin 7y ago

Could also be that young people have very little representation when it comes to laws, policies and regulations.

onlyrealcuzzo 7y ago

As in their taxes have been in increased to keep unsustainable pension programs humming along?

dev_dull 7y ago

The counter argument to this is that their representation is arguably higher now than any other time in history, so more representation (falsely) equates to less wealth by your supposition.

Alex3917 7y ago

Millennials are the largest voting block in the US. They have more representation than any other demographic.

sjg007 7y ago
They just need to actually vote..
- lbotos 7y ago
  According to Pew, They did: https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2017/07/31/gen-zers-millennials-and-gen-xers-outvoted-boomers-and-older-generations-in-2016-election/ https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2017/07/31/gen-zers-mi...
  - sjg007 7y ago
    Right, but not in the same proportion as the other groups.
- tamaharbor 7y ago
  “If voting made any difference, they wouldn’t let us do it.”
JumpCrisscross 7y ago
> Millennials are the largest voting block in the US. They have more representation than any other demographic Eh, millennials are a large population block. As a voting block, we're borderline useless [1]. And that's just voter turnout. The more important forms of participation--showing up to meetings--tends to show single-digit participation. [1] https://www.census.gov/library/visualizations/2017/comm/voting-rates-age.html https://www.census.gov/library/visualizations/2017/comm/voti...
- tomjakubowski 7y ago
  The graphic does say that the demographic aged 18-29 was the only one to see an increase in turnout between 2012 and 2016. But anyway, millennial voting was a lot more impactful in 2018. https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2019/5/29/18644145/vote-2018-election-gen-x-z-millennials-baby-boomers https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2019/5/29/18644145/v...
  - JumpCrisscross 7y ago
    > millennial voting was a lot more impactful in 2018 It’s swinging up. But participation rates—see the second chart in your article—are still abysmal. (I’m optimistic.)
  - isostatic 7y ago
    There’s a seismic shift going on in voting in the UK. The traditional two parties are falling to bits - the old and uneducated are voting for Farage, the young and educated are voting for Lib Dem and Green, leaving the current bug parties - the ones of Thatcher and Blair - 4th or even 5th in the polls. It is hard to separate the youth vote - when it bothers to turn up, from the educated vote, as the majority of people with degrees are under 40
- Meandering 7y ago
  Subjective: I think voting for our financial incentive has been obfuscated by the recent "authoritarian" vs "socialism" platform the Republican and Democrat have been pushing. We can't vote for what makes sense because we are voting on vague and diluted ideologies that will not find compromise. Even if I go out to vote, I can't vote for conventional fiscal responsibility. At least when we had "political fluff" vs "extreme rhetoric" there was an opportunity to compromise and move forward.
MR4D 7y ago
But they don’t vote. [1] [1] - https://www.npr.org/2016/05/16/478237882/millennials-now-rival-boomers-as-a-political-force-but-will-they-actually-vote https://www.npr.org/2016/05/16/478237882/millennials-now-riv... EDIT: added source
- watwut 7y ago
  They vote pretty much as often as young people in past did. There is nothing special about voting and this generation.
zanny 7y ago
Just because you have the most voters doesn't mean you have the most representation. Feel free to ask minorities in cities for a century how their majorities worked for them.
- JimiofEden 7y ago
  Not to completely sidestep the point, but the sentence you wrote really shows off some of the more intriguing points of our language: "Feel free to ask minorities in cities for a century how their majorities worked for them"
  - zanny 7y ago
    "Free free to ask minorities that have been living in cities with majorities for the last century how well that has been working out for them." That would be the "don't write it on a phone touch keyboard and try to abbreviate the sentence as much as possible" version.
4ntonius8lock 7y ago
Yeap, and legally enforced age discrimination means we can't actually take many offices. We can vote for old farts. We just can't be elected. Double think starts: But that isn't discrimination. Because it is legal. Instead it is called 'age of candidacy'.
- MagicPropmaker 7y ago
  The only age requirement that would affect "millennials" is the constitutionally-defined minimum age for the President, which is 35.
  - 4ntonius8lock 7y ago
    The fact that you are stating something so easily disprovable, and that I'm getting down voted speaks volumes on the state of social acceptance of age discrimination. I'll quote from the wikipedia: "In the United States, a person must be aged 35 or over to be President or Vice President. To be a Senator, a person must be aged 30 or over. To be a Representative, a person must be aged 25 or older. This is specified in the U.S. Constitution. Most states in the U.S. also have age requirements for the offices of Governor, State Senator, and State Representative" Also, let's be clear. Generally a Senator or Congressman has a long history of local public office before being a Senator or Congressman. Young people are locked out of those offices until AT LEAST 30. That means, they start running for some small office in their mid 30s, to end in higher office at a much older age. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Age_of_candidacy_laws_in_the_United_States https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Age_of_candidacy_laws_in_the_U...
    - RhysU 7y ago
      Imagine how you would feel towards a teenager who complained he or she couldn't run for president. Age doesn't necessitate wisdom, but wow are they positively correlated.
      - waterhouse 7y ago
        Sounds like a teenager wouldn't be a viable candidate for president, then, in which case why does there need to be a rule forbidding it?
YokoZar 7y ago
Millenials are distribued evenly throughout every electoral district. Without proportional representation, it's a perfect gerrymander.
StreamBright 7y ago
True however, even with that people are less represented than corporations. https://www.cambridge.org/core/journals/perspectives-on-politics/article/testing-theories-of-american-politics-elites-interest-groups-and-average-citizens/62327F513959D0A304D4893B382B992B https://www.cambridge.org/core/journals/perspectives-on-poli... "Multivariate analysis indicates that economic elites and organized groups representing business interests have substantial independent impacts on U.S. government policy, while average citizens and mass-based interest groups have little or no independent influence. The results provide substantial support for theories of Economic-Elite Domination and for theories of Biased Pluralism, but not for theories of Majoritarian Electoral Democracy or Majoritarian Pluralism."