> I clone the upstream repository first, if I see a project I want to poke at, I don't instantly fork and clone my fork. And that takes at least as much as tim

> I clone the upstream repository first, if I see a project I want to poke at, I don't instantly fork and clone my fork. And that takes at least as much as time as pressing fork does. Leaving pull request flow at least no slower than sending a patch. That's what you were claiming at start. > Some rando that quits on not knowing how to use a bug tracker isn't a good contributor. How do you know that a person who doesn't want to spend time on terrible tooling isn't a good contributor? Are you using a crystal ball? > Somebody who takes time to learn how to use the tooling will be more beneficial to the project, Or let's just focus on working on the code not spending time on the cumbersome tooling? That'd be even more beneficial. > You can build your own Chromium, but that doesn't change the fact that the web engines are getting centralized. Let's talk about this "issue" when GitLab, a FOSS solution, owns 10% of the marketshare. > Clearly there is no negative impact as these projects are so successful. Only very few FOSS projects are that successful, who knows how many more would be if better tooling were used from the start. > It will devolve into "But it works on Gitlab CI". And you claim it hasn't for Makefiles, awful automake, e-mail systems? If anything the use of newer tools reduces the monoculture and stagnation. > Managing GH/GL bug tracking is difficult, as it lack features. > No advanced statuses means that maintainers have to rely on hacky statuses using labels, which can get hairy really quick. How big of a percent really uses "advanced statuses"? Clearly looking at Linux "advanced statuses" are not needed for even the biggest of projects. Systemd also manages very fine on GH. > Oh, like HTTP and FTP? Oh, wait, we're still using those. Thankfully both are dying. If you start bringing up stuff just for the sake of "see, old stuff is being used, it must be good" then keep in mind some countries also have gay people lynched, must be good, right? (Of course not.) > Maybe IRC? Oh wait, that is still used in development. But IRC's numbers are minuscule compared to all others. It pretty much shows that it's not as good as other solutions. > Walking by foot. So lets stop walking by foot and use bikes everywhere. Oh, you can't ride a bike in a building? Seems like we'll need to change our buildings too! Oh, the building is 5 stories, let's use stairs only! No, that's not how it works, we build elevators and escalators because stairs are not convenient. Oh, btw, there also are buildings where bikes and scooters are used.