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I think you're missing the point as well, and that may be a generational difference. You value security and loyalty, because that's what your generation was ra

I think you're missing the point as well, and that may be a generational difference. You value security and loyalty, because that's what your generation was raised with. My generation has no delusions of job security. It does not and will not exist in our future. We value independence and freedom, and the opportunity to pursue our careers. I've done contract work my entire life and wouldn't have it any other way. I do not want to be tied to a company. I earn much, much work working independently. My insurance is my savings account. My insurance is my adaptability. My insurance is my skillset. Your reply indicates that you think that has something to do with idealism, and it doesn't. We want to do work, get paid for it, and fuck off to the next thing. You don't have to agree with it, just don't participate in it if you don't. But don't try to get in the way of other people doing what they want because you don't understand it.

momokoko 7y ago
No. The comment was off topic. I was replying to an individual. And then someone decided to add a reply to my comment with typical internet free market talking points. I was not discussing these debated to death boring religious debates about government and taxation. I was talking to an individual. Please refer to the comment I was originally replying to for context. For an individual, the loss of worker compensation is a very very significant thing to consider. Driving is a very dangerous job. Most police officer deaths each year are from automobile accidents. Whether they should make that choice, or if a society should allow it, was absolutely nowhere in any way at all in my comment. Please reread my comment as it appears you seem to have missed that. If you want to rehash the same typical talking points we've all heard 10,000 times, please do it in a different thread. I have a very difficult time seeing how repeating things that have been said so many times does anything but waste all of our time here.
- lightedman 7y ago
  Maybe rehashing those points often enough will get your lazy ass inspired to get up and actually do something about it. Or you can continue to be lazy and disingenuous, your choice, after all.
- CryptoPunk 7y ago
  These are not ideological talking points. They are basic economics. Believing that markets work according to principles like the law of supply and demand is as ideological as believing that vaccines reduce population wide mortality.
aiisjustanif 7y ago
Ring ring Your generation calling. You can take your anecdotal statement and your "my generation" and kindly keep it to yourself. Not to mention, "Our generation" is so different thinking about this across countries that this idea is just so odd. It's not realistic. It's not scalable to all people. It's survivalistic. You will get tired. You will get sick. You might have a family. You will affect others. You will die one day. Your skill set won't save you. Your adaptability won't save you. Your material possessions won't save you. And your savings might not be able to even save you. You will live in a community and by extension affect one. It is a fool's game to act as if youth and health are infinite. We can have work freedom, that's fine. But without a community, a caring society, a caring government, something to back us up. When the work is gone and we are sick, distressed, and at out most helpless we will have nothing but our hopeful savings to help us. And honestly that's naive to think is a enough imo.
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ordu 7y ago
> My generation has no delusions of job security. It is a temporary thing that happens to any generation at a certain age range.
otaviokz 7y ago
"You value security and loyalty, because that's what your generation was raised with." How could you possibly know that much about the person you're responding to? He only state he's "older", but didn't say which country, city, religion etc. Even if he did so, it wouldn't say much. I know people in their 60s that believe in may things you stated, and others in their 20s who disagree with you about everything you said (and I mean high income young software engineers, not someone in need of state help). Also, it's just my personal opinion from now on: Don't reason in such absolute ways, everything is much more complex than "your generation" and "my generation" could possibly convey, and even inside a specific age/region/education/income group, the way people think and act varies wildly (and they are probably all both right and wrong depending on subject). Don't put so much trust on your adaptability and skillset, you never know how the world will change and how you will react to it. I really hope it will just get better, be you never know. I'm only 39yo and saw quite a few highly skilled people go down because of unexpected physical/mental health issues. Anyway, please don't take it as me trying to "prove you wrong". Well, as humans we almost always do a little of it, but it seems to em I used to think like you at some point and it brought me quite some pain. Maybe I'm misinterpreting you and am just an idiot, but I felt like writing. Have a great week! contract work is just great

momokoko 7y ago

No. The comment was off topic. I was replying to an individual. And then someone decided to add a reply to my comment with typical internet free market talking points. I was not discussing these debated to death boring religious debates about government and taxation. I was talking to an individual. Please refer to the comment I was originally replying to for context. For an individual, the loss of worker compensation is a very very significant thing to consider. Driving is a very dangerous job. Most police officer deaths each year are from automobile accidents. Whether they should make that choice, or if a society should allow it, was absolutely nowhere in any way at all in my comment. Please reread my comment as it appears you seem to have missed that. If you want to rehash the same typical talking points we've all heard 10,000 times, please do it in a different thread. I have a very difficult time seeing how repeating things that have been said so many times does anything but waste all of our time here.

lightedman 7y ago
Maybe rehashing those points often enough will get your lazy ass inspired to get up and actually do something about it. Or you can continue to be lazy and disingenuous, your choice, after all.
CryptoPunk 7y ago
These are not ideological talking points. They are basic economics. Believing that markets work according to principles like the law of supply and demand is as ideological as believing that vaccines reduce population wide mortality.

aiisjustanif 7y ago

Ring ring Your generation calling. You can take your anecdotal statement and your "my generation" and kindly keep it to yourself. Not to mention, "Our generation" is so different thinking about this across countries that this idea is just so odd. It's not realistic. It's not scalable to all people. It's survivalistic. You will get tired. You will get sick. You might have a family. You will affect others. You will die one day. Your skill set won't save you. Your adaptability won't save you. Your material possessions won't save you. And your savings might not be able to even save you. You will live in a community and by extension affect one. It is a fool's game to act as if youth and health are infinite. We can have work freedom, that's fine. But without a community, a caring society, a caring government, something to back us up. When the work is gone and we are sick, distressed, and at out most helpless we will have nothing but our hopeful savings to help us. And honestly that's naive to think is a enough imo.

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ordu 7y ago

> My generation has no delusions of job security. It is a temporary thing that happens to any generation at a certain age range.

otaviokz 7y ago

"You value security and loyalty, because that's what your generation was raised with." How could you possibly know that much about the person you're responding to? He only state he's "older", but didn't say which country, city, religion etc. Even if he did so, it wouldn't say much. I know people in their 60s that believe in may things you stated, and others in their 20s who disagree with you about everything you said (and I mean high income young software engineers, not someone in need of state help). Also, it's just my personal opinion from now on: Don't reason in such absolute ways, everything is much more complex than "your generation" and "my generation" could possibly convey, and even inside a specific age/region/education/income group, the way people think and act varies wildly (and they are probably all both right and wrong depending on subject). Don't put so much trust on your adaptability and skillset, you never know how the world will change and how you will react to it. I really hope it will just get better, be you never know. I'm only 39yo and saw quite a few highly skilled people go down because of unexpected physical/mental health issues. Anyway, please don't take it as me trying to "prove you wrong". Well, as humans we almost always do a little of it, but it seems to em I used to think like you at some point and it brought me quite some pain. Maybe I'm misinterpreting you and am just an idiot, but I felt like writing. Have a great week! contract work is just great