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Of course the policy has sometimes been harshly enforced, which, again, is something that could not happen in a 'free country'. But let's remove our pink tinte

Of course the policy has sometimes been harshly enforced, which, again, is something that could not happen in a 'free country'. But let's remove our pink tinted glasses. The reality is equally harsh: The WHO forecasts 250,000 extra deaths _a year_ between 2030 and 2050 because of climate change [0]. You're quite obviously misrepresenting what I wrote when you immediately equal it to "murdering people"... [0] https://www.who.int/news-room/fact-sheets/detail/climate-change-and-health https://www.who.int/news-room/fact-sheets/detail/climate-cha...

yters 7y ago
My point is that if abortion is murder (it is) then enforcing a one child policy in the world requires way more than 250,000 extra deaths _a year_. With our current voluntary abortion worldwide we are already at 56 million abortions per year. So, let's not play games and pretend this is about preserving human life, in general. This is only about preserving the lives of a select few people: wealthy westerners and the lucky few in less developed countries that westerners feel guilty enough to save, or at least want their cheaper labor. There is no kind of humanitarian moral principle guiding this analysis you offer.
- komali2 7y ago
  China no longer enforces one child policy in most places. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/One-child_policy?wprov=sfla1 https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/One-child_policy?wprov=sfla1 Abortion is not murder.
  - AnimalMuppet 7y ago
    > Abortion is not murder. Abortion is the termination of something. That something is genetically human, genetically not the mother, and definitely a child in 9 months or less. Terminating that is at least arguably murder. It at least cannot be dismissed with a glib denial.
    - dang 7y ago
      "Avoid unrelated controversies and generic tangents." https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
      - yters 7y ago
        I would argue this is not unrelated. The initial point is that "China-like" is a preferred form of government because things like one/two child policies prevent environmental collapse and ensuing death. My point is that if abortion is murder, then "China-like" is already killing a lot of people, and really we are just choosing what group of people to kill.

yters 7y ago

My point is that if abortion is murder (it is) then enforcing a one child policy in the world requires way more than 250,000 extra deaths _a year_. With our current voluntary abortion worldwide we are already at 56 million abortions per year. So, let's not play games and pretend this is about preserving human life, in general. This is only about preserving the lives of a select few people: wealthy westerners and the lucky few in less developed countries that westerners feel guilty enough to save, or at least want their cheaper labor. There is no kind of humanitarian moral principle guiding this analysis you offer.

komali2 7y ago
China no longer enforces one child policy in most places. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/One-child_policy?wprov=sfla1 https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/One-child_policy?wprov=sfla1 Abortion is not murder.
- AnimalMuppet 7y ago
  > Abortion is not murder. Abortion is the termination of something. That something is genetically human, genetically not the mother, and definitely a child in 9 months or less. Terminating that is at least arguably murder. It at least cannot be dismissed with a glib denial.
  - dang 7y ago
    "Avoid unrelated controversies and generic tangents." https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
    - yters 7y ago
      I would argue this is not unrelated. The initial point is that "China-like" is a preferred form of government because things like one/two child policies prevent environmental collapse and ensuing death. My point is that if abortion is murder, then "China-like" is already killing a lot of people, and really we are just choosing what group of people to kill.