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Partly a good comment. 64 was not "heavily influenced" by the USA. It was way more complex with a large set of different reasons. Fang Lizhi and his experience

Partly a good comment. 64 was not "heavily influenced" by the USA. It was way more complex with a large set of different reasons. Fang Lizhi and his experience in the US and influence of students was one factor, but it was also the nepotism and corruption, disparity fueled by the reforms, economic difficulties and inflation, devaluation of liberal arts subjects and many (individual) reasons more. People needed to vent and the party did not handle it well. It was the party's own fault that the situation deescalated and led to the shocking events in June 89.

justicezyx 7y ago
Lets be sensible and understand there is no fault that is purely one side faulted... Especially in hugely complicated matter like politics... Edit: Please down vote this to death... The purest democracy will help people get it...
- marak830 7y ago
  Aside from the party that mulched protestors with tanks and apcs then washed the remains down the sewers. I'm sorry but how can anyone discuss with a straight face that perhaps people were moving too fast for a system to catch up. . . Which resulted in the above, then proceed to talk as if that government or system could develop from there. You don't get to come back from that.
- throwaway2048 7y ago
  I feel comfortable with blaming the people who ordered tanks to run over thousands of unarmed protesters, personally.
  - 88840-8855 7y ago
    This is also not that simple. The soldiers were all young boys, 18, 19, 20. They were scared and not prepared. The crowed radicalised in the weeks before the eruption. Misinformation was spread on both sides. The orders given to the young boys were unclear: clean Tiananmen, but no blood. Further, they were very bad equipped: live ammunition. The forces have evaluated later the situation and invested in rubber bullets and other "strike breaking" weapons. It was just a disaster and a sad moment in history. No winners, only losers.
- cycrutchfield 7y ago
  Hmm, let’s see. On one side we have protestors asking for political reform. On the other side we have authoritarian thugs who would lose power under such reform, and who ultimately used said power to murder hundreds or thousands on the other side. But sure, “there is no fault that is purely one side faulted”. All sins are given equivalent weight. Who are we to decide which side was wrong here? Let’s just all forget about it and move on.
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justicezyx 7y ago

Lets be sensible and understand there is no fault that is purely one side faulted... Especially in hugely complicated matter like politics... Edit: Please down vote this to death... The purest democracy will help people get it...

marak830 7y ago
Aside from the party that mulched protestors with tanks and apcs then washed the remains down the sewers. I'm sorry but how can anyone discuss with a straight face that perhaps people were moving too fast for a system to catch up. . . Which resulted in the above, then proceed to talk as if that government or system could develop from there. You don't get to come back from that.
throwaway2048 7y ago
I feel comfortable with blaming the people who ordered tanks to run over thousands of unarmed protesters, personally.
- 88840-8855 7y ago
  This is also not that simple. The soldiers were all young boys, 18, 19, 20. They were scared and not prepared. The crowed radicalised in the weeks before the eruption. Misinformation was spread on both sides. The orders given to the young boys were unclear: clean Tiananmen, but no blood. Further, they were very bad equipped: live ammunition. The forces have evaluated later the situation and invested in rubber bullets and other "strike breaking" weapons. It was just a disaster and a sad moment in history. No winners, only losers.
cycrutchfield 7y ago
Hmm, let’s see. On one side we have protestors asking for political reform. On the other side we have authoritarian thugs who would lose power under such reform, and who ultimately used said power to murder hundreds or thousands on the other side. But sure, “there is no fault that is purely one side faulted”. All sins are given equivalent weight. Who are we to decide which side was wrong here? Let’s just all forget about it and move on.

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