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OTOH I find it quite annoying, when asking about Y, to be bombarded with questions like 'why would you even do that' etc. Eg, Me: "What's the best trackball i

OTOH I find it quite annoying, when asking about Y, to be bombarded with questions like 'why would you even do that' etc. Eg, Me: "What's the best trackball in 2019?" Crowd: "Do you have RSI? You probably need a vertical mouse." etc

zamadatix 7y ago
"The XY problem problem" has probably caused me more wasted time on internet searches than dealing with "The XY problem" in real life.
pezo1919 7y ago
Yes same here. I easily get annoyed because it really is a rabbit hole. Why do I want anything? Because I want to be happy and successful, lol. Is it broad enough now?
- tobyhinloopen 7y ago
  Why do you want to be happy and successful? Maybe you just want some dopamine injections instead
  - pezo1919 7y ago
    Yeah. But dopamine injections seem quite random. Maybe I just want to roll a dice.
jjoonathan 7y ago
That feeling when you spend hours reducing a problem to its simplest form and then the experts pile in to your IRC / mailing list / ticket system / stack overflow post to explain that you must be suffering from the XY problem because your ultimate goal couldn't possibly be to do what the minimized program does. Naturally, they didn't read the part at the top where you explain your ultimate goal. Two days later you make a new post favoring contextual detail over brevity and the same experts pile in to complain that you didn't minimize your example.
Doubl 7y ago
Why are you using vb6?
agumonkey 7y ago
I just had to left a job after 2 weeks, because as someone new to the clan, everything I said was noise to them. I guess there's a time-to-respect period to go through.
- maxxxxx 7y ago
  I don’t know about this particular situation but I think it’s just a matter of politeness that somebody new should use his first weeks to try to understand the current situation before making too many suggestions. Also show your skills by delivering something. I have seen quite a few contractors who didn’t seem to be able to do anything if the environment was not exactly their preferred environment. If you are good you can deliver something in any environment and build up credibility.
  - agumonkey 7y ago
    It's partly that yeah, in my case the issue is that what they called skills were just hardship turned into experience which didn't call for their propensity to insult / accuse me (behavior that they rarely did between themselves). Basically it's clan mentality that makes it hard to integrate because they don't transfer knowledge or confidence but authority and rot learning procedures.
kps 7y ago
> "What's the best trackball in 2019?" Kensington Slimblade, still.
- dmbaturin 7y ago
  I'm a bit confused by its pictures. It has a scroll wheel, right? How's the build-in wrist pad? I'm still using a Kensington Expert Mouse. Anyone tried those vertical mice? To me it looks like a pointing device for people with RSI rather than something one may choose for better usability whether they have RSI or not. I was introduced to trackballs by a friend who has RSI, and I loved them, even though I don't have any wrist issues.
  - kps 7y ago
    There's no separate scroll wheel — it scrolls by turning the ball around the z axis, so it's purely optical. It works very well unless you need to keep the x,y absolutely fixed while scrolling. I can't comment on the wrist rest; wrist extension causes me trouble, so I have mine sunken into a customized keyboard tray to place the ball near keycap height.
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zamadatix 7y ago

"The XY problem problem" has probably caused me more wasted time on internet searches than dealing with "The XY problem" in real life.

pezo1919 7y ago

Yes same here. I easily get annoyed because it really is a rabbit hole. Why do I want anything? Because I want to be happy and successful, lol. Is it broad enough now?

tobyhinloopen 7y ago
Why do you want to be happy and successful? Maybe you just want some dopamine injections instead
- pezo1919 7y ago
  Yeah. But dopamine injections seem quite random. Maybe I just want to roll a dice.

jjoonathan 7y ago

That feeling when you spend hours reducing a problem to its simplest form and then the experts pile in to your IRC / mailing list / ticket system / stack overflow post to explain that you must be suffering from the XY problem because your ultimate goal couldn't possibly be to do what the minimized program does. Naturally, they didn't read the part at the top where you explain your ultimate goal. Two days later you make a new post favoring contextual detail over brevity and the same experts pile in to complain that you didn't minimize your example.

Doubl 7y ago

Why are you using vb6?

agumonkey 7y ago

I just had to left a job after 2 weeks, because as someone new to the clan, everything I said was noise to them. I guess there's a time-to-respect period to go through.

maxxxxx 7y ago
I don’t know about this particular situation but I think it’s just a matter of politeness that somebody new should use his first weeks to try to understand the current situation before making too many suggestions. Also show your skills by delivering something. I have seen quite a few contractors who didn’t seem to be able to do anything if the environment was not exactly their preferred environment. If you are good you can deliver something in any environment and build up credibility.
- agumonkey 7y ago
  It's partly that yeah, in my case the issue is that what they called skills were just hardship turned into experience which didn't call for their propensity to insult / accuse me (behavior that they rarely did between themselves). Basically it's clan mentality that makes it hard to integrate because they don't transfer knowledge or confidence but authority and rot learning procedures.

kps 7y ago

> "What's the best trackball in 2019?" Kensington Slimblade, still.

dmbaturin 7y ago
I'm a bit confused by its pictures. It has a scroll wheel, right? How's the build-in wrist pad? I'm still using a Kensington Expert Mouse. Anyone tried those vertical mice? To me it looks like a pointing device for people with RSI rather than something one may choose for better usability whether they have RSI or not. I was introduced to trackballs by a friend who has RSI, and I loved them, even though I don't have any wrist issues.
- kps 7y ago
  There's no separate scroll wheel — it scrolls by turning the ball around the z axis, so it's purely optical. It works very well unless you need to keep the x,y absolutely fixed while scrolling. I can't comment on the wrist rest; wrist extension causes me trouble, so I have mine sunken into a customized keyboard tray to place the ball near keycap height.

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