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For a while, I was pretty sold on anarcho-primitivism as a concept (Derrick Jensen is a prominent figure in that sphere), but it is pretty deluded to think that

For a while, I was pretty sold on anarcho-primitivism as a concept (Derrick Jensen is a prominent figure in that sphere), but it is pretty deluded to think that quality of life would increase and life would be cushy and comfortable.

Bombthecat 7y ago
The question is: if we do nothing and just keep destroying the planet, would it be worse? Or better?
- lazyjones 7y ago
  > keep destroying the planet, We couldn't even scratch the planet with an all-out nuclear war, why do people always resort to such ridiculous hyperbole? The planet will be fine, we just might destroy our species (very unlikely with pollution etc.).
  - aaomidi 7y ago
    You're fighting semantics here, that's exactly what they were referring to.
lm28469 7y ago
What improvements in quality of life do we really _need_ though? In first world countries we're so comfy and everything is so convenient that the leading causes of death are due to eating too much and not moving enough. That's pretty ironic if you ask me. We don't have to go back to living in caves and eating raw animals of course. But I don't see how slowing down would decrease our quality of life. There is no limit in artificial quality of life improvement. You can spend 1 month of your salary on a bread toaster or on a few iot light bulbs... Or you can send it to a private pension and retire x months earlier than the legal age.
- aaomidi 7y ago
  Maybe not working 40 hours a week and enjoying the world in our prime age? We spend our best time of the day stuck in an office or someone else's property doing work for them. Losing all the time we have with sunlight. If we all worked 20 hours a week and maintained our SoL we would even be mentally more stable.
  - Mirioron 7y ago
    And then the people whose SoL is terrible right now would outcompete you and your SoL will fall, because they're the better candidate for the job. There are a lot of people whose standard of living is low right now.
    - aaomidi 7y ago
      Maybe we shouldn't tie SoL to "work output"
- derrick_jensen 7y ago
  It is more about spreading the wealth to the people who actually need it instead of focusing on consumerist nonsense in a first world bubble
claudiawerner 7y ago
It's worth noting that degrowth is not anarcho-primitivism, or for that matter any variant of primitivism.

Bombthecat 7y ago

The question is: if we do nothing and just keep destroying the planet, would it be worse? Or better?

lazyjones 7y ago
> keep destroying the planet, We couldn't even scratch the planet with an all-out nuclear war, why do people always resort to such ridiculous hyperbole? The planet will be fine, we just might destroy our species (very unlikely with pollution etc.).
- aaomidi 7y ago
  You're fighting semantics here, that's exactly what they were referring to.

lm28469 7y ago

What improvements in quality of life do we really _need_ though? In first world countries we're so comfy and everything is so convenient that the leading causes of death are due to eating too much and not moving enough. That's pretty ironic if you ask me. We don't have to go back to living in caves and eating raw animals of course. But I don't see how slowing down would decrease our quality of life. There is no limit in artificial quality of life improvement. You can spend 1 month of your salary on a bread toaster or on a few iot light bulbs... Or you can send it to a private pension and retire x months earlier than the legal age.

aaomidi 7y ago
Maybe not working 40 hours a week and enjoying the world in our prime age? We spend our best time of the day stuck in an office or someone else's property doing work for them. Losing all the time we have with sunlight. If we all worked 20 hours a week and maintained our SoL we would even be mentally more stable.
- Mirioron 7y ago
  And then the people whose SoL is terrible right now would outcompete you and your SoL will fall, because they're the better candidate for the job. There are a lot of people whose standard of living is low right now.
  - aaomidi 7y ago
    Maybe we shouldn't tie SoL to "work output"
derrick_jensen 7y ago
It is more about spreading the wealth to the people who actually need it instead of focusing on consumerist nonsense in a first world bubble

claudiawerner 7y ago

It's worth noting that degrowth is not anarcho-primitivism, or for that matter any variant of primitivism.