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Depends on what's being investigated here, if the government would actually want to compel Google to alter their search results then it's a first amendment case

Depends on what's being investigated here, if the government would actually want to compel Google to alter their search results then it's a first amendment case.

tantalor 7y ago
> Take a look at google AMP The argument here is its unfair to bias ranking towards a preferred format. In this case, something about excluding competitors, except AMP is completely open-source[1] so...? The counterargument is yes you can, because it's your pamphlet/newspaper/website and you're the editor, not the government. [1] https://github.com/ampproject/amphtml https://github.com/ampproject/amphtml
- bduerst 7y ago
  Yeah, if AMP is antitrust then so is Facebook's Open Graph. Despite the hate for both on HN, neither format is targeting competitors or hurting consumers in this case.
  - _hl_ 7y ago
    I think the antitrust argument against AMP is a bit more subtle. The argument seems to be that Google is abusing it's market dominance to push sites into using AMP. This in turn prevents them from using third party trackers, while the pages will be served via Google caches when accessed from Google search. Hence Google gets to track the visitor, while third party tracking from other providers is prevented. I.e. Google is abusing it's power to thwart competition in the analytics and ad-tech business. Of course as a consumer, I don't really care whether it's some random company or Google who gets to violate my privacy, and I especially couldn't care less about lack of innovation in the privacy violation business, so I think the antitrust angle here is pretty slim.
    - bduerst 7y ago
      Maybe - is Amp rendering blocking third party tracking from GTM tags?
    - themacguffinman 7y ago
      Third party trackers are not prevented.
      - _hl_ 7y ago
        You can use Google Analytics through the <amp-analytics> element [1], but since AMP prevents third-party scripts that were not approved by Google, I'm not sure how you would include other trackers in an AMP site. [1] https://developers.google.com/analytics/devguides/collection/amp-analytics/ https://developers.google.com/analytics/devguides/collection...
        themacguffinman 7y ago
        You can easily use other analytics vendors https://amp.dev/documentation/guides-and-tutorials/optimize-measure/configure-analytics/?referrer=ampproject.org https://amp.dev/documentation/guides-and-tutorials/optimize-...

Depends on what's being investigated here, if the government would actually want to compel Google to alter their search results then it's a first amendment case.

tantalor 7y ago

> Take a look at google AMP The argument here is its unfair to bias ranking towards a preferred format. In this case, something about excluding competitors, except AMP is completely open-source[1] so...? The counterargument is yes you can, because it's your pamphlet/newspaper/website and you're the editor, not the government. [1] https://github.com/ampproject/amphtml https://github.com/ampproject/amphtml

bduerst 7y ago
Yeah, if AMP is antitrust then so is Facebook's Open Graph. Despite the hate for both on HN, neither format is targeting competitors or hurting consumers in this case.
- _hl_ 7y ago
  I think the antitrust argument against AMP is a bit more subtle. The argument seems to be that Google is abusing it's market dominance to push sites into using AMP. This in turn prevents them from using third party trackers, while the pages will be served via Google caches when accessed from Google search. Hence Google gets to track the visitor, while third party tracking from other providers is prevented. I.e. Google is abusing it's power to thwart competition in the analytics and ad-tech business. Of course as a consumer, I don't really care whether it's some random company or Google who gets to violate my privacy, and I especially couldn't care less about lack of innovation in the privacy violation business, so I think the antitrust angle here is pretty slim.
  - bduerst 7y ago
    Maybe - is Amp rendering blocking third party tracking from GTM tags?
  - themacguffinman 7y ago
    Third party trackers are not prevented.
    - _hl_ 7y ago
      You can use Google Analytics through the <amp-analytics> element [1], but since AMP prevents third-party scripts that were not approved by Google, I'm not sure how you would include other trackers in an AMP site. [1] https://developers.google.com/analytics/devguides/collection/amp-analytics/ https://developers.google.com/analytics/devguides/collection...
      - themacguffinman 7y ago
        You can easily use other analytics vendors https://amp.dev/documentation/guides-and-tutorials/optimize-measure/configure-analytics/?referrer=ampproject.org https://amp.dev/documentation/guides-and-tutorials/optimize-...