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I look forward to hordes of teenagers pushing back against this - wearing hats, burkas, sunglasses, excessive makeup etc. etc. At least, I sure hope they will.

by grecy 7y ago

whatshisface 7y ago
It's already against the rules to cover your face in many schools. Besides, if the system can't recognize you, you will be marked as absent - so the punishment for defeating the surveillance system is the same as the punishment for breaking the rule it's intended to enforce. Those teenagers are dependent on the civic involvement of adults, they can't save themselves.
- pjmorris 7y ago
  If the system is subject to false positives, students will figure out a way to exploit that, e.g. marked as present when absent via 'masks', Mission Impossible-style.
  - chronic372033 7y ago
    > If the system is subject to false positives, students will figure out a way to exploit that, e.g. marked as present when absent via 'masks', Mission Impossible-style. I can assure you, the teams of PhDs from Stanford and MIT will address those cases. Just like how Google knows if you're clicking random ads.
    - pjmorris 7y ago
      I assure you that teams of PhDs have been working on it for years, same as with, e.g. cryptography. It's just a hard problem [0]. [0] https://cyber.harvard.edu/cybersecurity/Why_Information_Security_is_Hard https://cyber.harvard.edu/cybersecurity/Why_Information_Secu...
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- jdsully 7y ago
  In the 90s/2000s we were taunted with a nefarious “permanent record” that recorded all our evil deeds. Do they still use that on students? It even came up in a few Simpson’s episodes. Somehow I haven’t seen anyone actually be negatively affected by this supposed record.
  - beenBoutIT 7y ago
    'Internet' replaced the permanent record' and now kids who act up enough to get news coverage end up with a permanent record of whatever they did.
    - jdsully 7y ago
      One minor difference: The permanent record was an official document. Twitter mobbing is a failing of our private citizens.
saagarjha 7y ago
They will, but the school will just make policies outlawing clothing that covers facial features (or may have some already).
- magduf 7y ago
  If they outlaw burqas, they can face lawsuits over religious freedom.
  - saagarjha 7y ago
    Not everyone uses burqas, and trying to argue for religious freedom when you're using headwear in bad faith is not a particularly good idea.
  - jahewson 7y ago
    Perhaps so but there’s no legal protection when wearing such clothing for non-religious reasons, as would clearly be the case here.
    - r00fus 7y ago
      What do you mean by non-religious reason? What about non-Christian holidays that are school days? Is that non-religious? Has this been decided in jurisprudence?
  - okusername 7y ago
    Burqas are already outlawed in some parts of europe, it's dehumanizing and extremists symbol. Also by that ideology, women would not go to school anyways.
    - heraclius 7y ago
      Many people wearing burqas—and perhaps most—indeed are the victims of such an ideology. But many aren’t, and so it is sensible to be clear that the burqa can be but isn't necessarily such a symbol.
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I look forward to hordes of teenagers pushing back against this - wearing hats, burkas, sunglasses, excessive makeup etc. etc. At least, I sure hope they will.

by grecy 7y ago

I look forward to hordes of teenagers pushing back against this - wearing hats, burkas, sunglasses, excessive makeup etc. etc. At least, I sure hope they will.

whatshisface 7y ago

It's already against the rules to cover your face in many schools. Besides, if the system can't recognize you, you will be marked as absent - so the punishment for defeating the surveillance system is the same as the punishment for breaking the rule it's intended to enforce. Those teenagers are dependent on the civic involvement of adults, they can't save themselves.

pjmorris 7y ago
If the system is subject to false positives, students will figure out a way to exploit that, e.g. marked as present when absent via 'masks', Mission Impossible-style.
- chronic372033 7y ago
  > If the system is subject to false positives, students will figure out a way to exploit that, e.g. marked as present when absent via 'masks', Mission Impossible-style. I can assure you, the teams of PhDs from Stanford and MIT will address those cases. Just like how Google knows if you're clicking random ads.
  - pjmorris 7y ago
    I assure you that teams of PhDs have been working on it for years, same as with, e.g. cryptography. It's just a hard problem [0]. [0] https://cyber.harvard.edu/cybersecurity/Why_Information_Security_is_Hard https://cyber.harvard.edu/cybersecurity/Why_Information_Secu...
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jdsully 7y ago
In the 90s/2000s we were taunted with a nefarious “permanent record” that recorded all our evil deeds. Do they still use that on students? It even came up in a few Simpson’s episodes. Somehow I haven’t seen anyone actually be negatively affected by this supposed record.
- beenBoutIT 7y ago
  'Internet' replaced the permanent record' and now kids who act up enough to get news coverage end up with a permanent record of whatever they did.
  - jdsully 7y ago
    One minor difference: The permanent record was an official document. Twitter mobbing is a failing of our private citizens.

saagarjha 7y ago

They will, but the school will just make policies outlawing clothing that covers facial features (or may have some already).

magduf 7y ago
If they outlaw burqas, they can face lawsuits over religious freedom.
- saagarjha 7y ago
  Not everyone uses burqas, and trying to argue for religious freedom when you're using headwear in bad faith is not a particularly good idea.
- jahewson 7y ago
  Perhaps so but there’s no legal protection when wearing such clothing for non-religious reasons, as would clearly be the case here.
  - r00fus 7y ago
    What do you mean by non-religious reason? What about non-Christian holidays that are school days? Is that non-religious? Has this been decided in jurisprudence?
- okusername 7y ago
  Burqas are already outlawed in some parts of europe, it's dehumanizing and extremists symbol. Also by that ideology, women would not go to school anyways.
  - heraclius 7y ago
    Many people wearing burqas—and perhaps most—indeed are the victims of such an ideology. But many aren’t, and so it is sensible to be clear that the burqa can be but isn't necessarily such a symbol.
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