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"It seems many transgender need to be taught..." This is a condescending and cheap swing at transgender people. First: lots, maybe most trans people in the US

"It seems many transgender need to be taught..." This is a condescending and cheap swing at transgender people. First: lots, maybe most trans people in the US don't get reassignment surgery, so your unsolicited education for trans people doesn't apply to at least a plurality of trans Americans. Second: Biology doesn't determine a trans person's gender. A trans woman who has her penis surgically removed was a women prior to The Surgery. She doesn't need to be told she doesn't need surgery to be a woman. The question of reassignment surgery is a complex personal issue wrapped up in socialization, but is ultimately a cosmetic surgery. I don't see how it's your business to educate people about their physical appearance.

yters 7y ago
But, if the point of transgenderism is to break people free from the socialized gender construct, which is stated to falsely equate gender with biology, isn't it falling even deeper into the trap to believe that being transgender entails biologically alteration? Such surgery sounds very counter to the gender != sex mantra, and suggests the transgender individual is not being true to themselves and is instead internalizing the very system that is oppressing them. As such, "transgender surgery" should be seen as a tool of oppression, not a tool of freedom, and we should do our best to fight against it.
- damnyou 7y ago
  This is some of the most uninformed content on this site I've read today, and that's saying something. Have you ever talked to any trans people in your entire life? I'm sure some people alter their biological sex because of social expectations, but most people that medically transition do so because they don't like what they have right now. They'd do it on a desert island too.
cybersnowflake 7y ago
You're right, biology doesn't determine gender since gender is a useless subjective term based upon unquantifiable mental states, (in (some) cases their might be some neurobiological differences behind it but not in the direction that gender theorists state. IE The existence of biological intersexuals or a defective protein does not show that biological sex itself is an artificial construct or that you can shuttle between the states freely) What is not subjective is a biological male who identifies as a woman is a biological male no matter how hard he wishes on a magic star. The left should admit that, and the right should admit that people are allowed to feel how they want for themselves as long as they don't force it on others and we can call it a day.
- damnyou 7y ago
  *she There are good reasons to "force it on others". Workplaces and schools need to be free of harassment, such as using the wrong pronouns for trans people. Hormone levels count more for "biological sex" than chromosomes do. Hormone levels can be changed easily.
  - yters 7y ago
    Hormones can't turn testes into ovaries.
    - damnyou 7y ago
      Of course, and your point is? Unless you're implying that all people are good for is reproducing.
  - cybersnowflake 7y ago
    Alright, if I say I'm a bird and demand that you greet me by fluttering your arms and hopping up and down and bobbing your head I guess you have to do it or you're harassing me. "Hormone levels count more for "biological sex" than chromosomes do. Hormone levels can be changed easily." Ummm...wow okay, thats quite a nonsensical statement. Its like saying "Oil levels count more for what makes a car a car than blue prints and you can change oil easily" Ummm..not quite sure how to respond to that.

yters 7y ago

But, if the point of transgenderism is to break people free from the socialized gender construct, which is stated to falsely equate gender with biology, isn't it falling even deeper into the trap to believe that being transgender entails biologically alteration? Such surgery sounds very counter to the gender != sex mantra, and suggests the transgender individual is not being true to themselves and is instead internalizing the very system that is oppressing them. As such, "transgender surgery" should be seen as a tool of oppression, not a tool of freedom, and we should do our best to fight against it.

damnyou 7y ago
This is some of the most uninformed content on this site I've read today, and that's saying something. Have you ever talked to any trans people in your entire life? I'm sure some people alter their biological sex because of social expectations, but most people that medically transition do so because they don't like what they have right now. They'd do it on a desert island too.

cybersnowflake 7y ago

You're right, biology doesn't determine gender since gender is a useless subjective term based upon unquantifiable mental states, (in (some) cases their might be some neurobiological differences behind it but not in the direction that gender theorists state. IE The existence of biological intersexuals or a defective protein does not show that biological sex itself is an artificial construct or that you can shuttle between the states freely) What is not subjective is a biological male who identifies as a woman is a biological male no matter how hard he wishes on a magic star. The left should admit that, and the right should admit that people are allowed to feel how they want for themselves as long as they don't force it on others and we can call it a day.

damnyou 7y ago
*she There are good reasons to "force it on others". Workplaces and schools need to be free of harassment, such as using the wrong pronouns for trans people. Hormone levels count more for "biological sex" than chromosomes do. Hormone levels can be changed easily.
- yters 7y ago
  Hormones can't turn testes into ovaries.
  - damnyou 7y ago
    Of course, and your point is? Unless you're implying that all people are good for is reproducing.
- cybersnowflake 7y ago
  Alright, if I say I'm a bird and demand that you greet me by fluttering your arms and hopping up and down and bobbing your head I guess you have to do it or you're harassing me. "Hormone levels count more for "biological sex" than chromosomes do. Hormone levels can be changed easily." Ummm...wow okay, thats quite a nonsensical statement. Its like saying "Oil levels count more for what makes a car a car than blue prints and you can change oil easily" Ummm..not quite sure how to respond to that.