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That loyalty is built on the back of misinformation, and is strengthened by presenting your opponents in compromising positions. Deepfakes would reinforce this,

by Retra 7y ago

That loyalty is built on the back of misinformation, and is strengthened by presenting your opponents in compromising positions. Deepfakes would reinforce this, so they are not an orthogonal issue.

Bakary 7y ago
There's a two way feedback at hand. Disinformation does affect people greatly but those it affects were already receptive to its message and looking for more. The neo-liberal, "humanist", The Economist-style view assumes it's just temporary/fixable insanity and that they would come back to the "rational" view of the world if they were better educated. In reality, the people who follow populist movements are both firmly in the grasp of illusory ideas and hold a very lucid understanding of their place in the world. They are riled up by fiery rhetoric but they are also well aware, whether consciously or not, that they have little to gain from a return to the neo-liberal order in which they have no useful economic role, no community (whether real or imaginary) to come back to, no access to the wonders of a globalization, and no real cause or culture to believe in other than competing against their neighbors for a slightly better place in the rat race. In San Francisco you can see the end logic of this trajectory. An elite with highly paid and satisfying jobs served by a pauperized underclass of Uber drivers and mini-job holders who only have a crumbling public infrastructure to support them and no prospect of being a socially engaged citizenry.
- Retra 7y ago
  >Disinformation does affect people greatly but those it affects were already receptive to its message and looking for more. My point is that its effects are more pronounced, more reliable, and significantly harder to correct in the presence deepfake style media. People who are trying harder to make honest evaluations of the world will be making more committed arguments for dishonest points if they fail to identify the inauthenticity of a deepfake message, a problem which is purposefully more likely due to the inherent design of a deepfake message. We don't need to talk about people who are intending to be manipulated, we need to talk about the people who are not intending to be manipulated who will nevertheless be disarmed by new technology.
- someguydave 7y ago
  A cynic might say that the very same SF elite desire more brown third-world immigrants in order to ensure that their pauperized underclass doesn't look like them. People don't like to be reminded of the downward mobility of people who look like themselves.

by Retra 7y ago

That loyalty is built on the back of misinformation, and is strengthened by presenting your opponents in compromising positions. Deepfakes would reinforce this, so they are not an orthogonal issue.

Bakary 7y ago

There's a two way feedback at hand. Disinformation does affect people greatly but those it affects were already receptive to its message and looking for more. The neo-liberal, "humanist", The Economist-style view assumes it's just temporary/fixable insanity and that they would come back to the "rational" view of the world if they were better educated. In reality, the people who follow populist movements are both firmly in the grasp of illusory ideas and hold a very lucid understanding of their place in the world. They are riled up by fiery rhetoric but they are also well aware, whether consciously or not, that they have little to gain from a return to the neo-liberal order in which they have no useful economic role, no community (whether real or imaginary) to come back to, no access to the wonders of a globalization, and no real cause or culture to believe in other than competing against their neighbors for a slightly better place in the rat race. In San Francisco you can see the end logic of this trajectory. An elite with highly paid and satisfying jobs served by a pauperized underclass of Uber drivers and mini-job holders who only have a crumbling public infrastructure to support them and no prospect of being a socially engaged citizenry.

Retra 7y ago
>Disinformation does affect people greatly but those it affects were already receptive to its message and looking for more. My point is that its effects are more pronounced, more reliable, and significantly harder to correct in the presence deepfake style media. People who are trying harder to make honest evaluations of the world will be making more committed arguments for dishonest points if they fail to identify the inauthenticity of a deepfake message, a problem which is purposefully more likely due to the inherent design of a deepfake message. We don't need to talk about people who are intending to be manipulated, we need to talk about the people who are not intending to be manipulated who will nevertheless be disarmed by new technology.
someguydave 7y ago
A cynic might say that the very same SF elite desire more brown third-world immigrants in order to ensure that their pauperized underclass doesn't look like them. People don't like to be reminded of the downward mobility of people who look like themselves.