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I'd say Intel should just spin out it's 5G modem team and let a neutral (!Apple) vendor develop it. Samsung should start selling 5G modems in NA as well. I kno

by vkaku 7y ago

I'd say Intel should just spin out it's 5G modem team and let a neutral (!Apple) vendor develop it. Samsung should start selling 5G modems in NA as well. I know this stuff isn't going to work in the short term, but this is the sort of choices we need.

hajile 7y ago
Semiaccurate has a rather interesting take here. TL;DR is that modems are very hard to make. Intel's modems were much slower and used much more power for last generation. They ran into issues and don't seem to even have a shippable 5g chip. https://www.semiaccurate.com/2019/04/16/qualcomm-just-beat-apple-into-sumbission/ https://www.semiaccurate.com/2019/04/16/qualcomm-just-beat-a... https://www.semiaccurate.com/2019/04/18/why-did-intel-kill-of-their-modem-program/ https://www.semiaccurate.com/2019/04/18/why-did-intel-kill-o...
- ksec 7y ago
  Semiaccurate also said Intel's 10nm is dead. And Nokia was going bankrupt. So please, please, stop bringing up SemiAccurate on HN.
  - wtallis 7y ago
    Intel's 10nm was a failure. Cannonlake was a mostly broken chip. It's taken them a year and a half from shipping Cannonlake to starting to ship Ice Lake. The 10nm process Ice Lake is fabbed with is not the same process Cannonlake was fabbed with; Intel has disclosed a few of the changes that were made in order to produce a viable chip, but we won't know the full extent of the changes until TechInsights gets their hands on an Ice Lake chip.
    - ksec 7y ago
      Icelake was never meant for the 10nm used in Cannonlake, it was a 10nm+ part. 2nd the shrink is there, at least according to what just announced ( or picture shown ) in Computex by counting how many die on Wafers. 3rd They are shipping it, we don't know yield but we know they are shipping it at least in decent quantities. And 4th, 10nm is not dead, Intel is not skipping it for 7nm. Nokia is not dead either. And it doesn't matter how anyone spin it, SemiAccruate is like tabloid of Tech Report, and to ensure the quality of news I personally believe it should serve no role on HN.

by vkaku 7y ago

hajile 7y ago

Semiaccurate has a rather interesting take here. TL;DR is that modems are very hard to make. Intel's modems were much slower and used much more power for last generation. They ran into issues and don't seem to even have a shippable 5g chip. https://www.semiaccurate.com/2019/04/16/qualcomm-just-beat-apple-into-sumbission/ https://www.semiaccurate.com/2019/04/16/qualcomm-just-beat-a... https://www.semiaccurate.com/2019/04/18/why-did-intel-kill-of-their-modem-program/ https://www.semiaccurate.com/2019/04/18/why-did-intel-kill-o...

ksec 7y ago
Semiaccurate also said Intel's 10nm is dead. And Nokia was going bankrupt. So please, please, stop bringing up SemiAccurate on HN.
- wtallis 7y ago
  Intel's 10nm was a failure. Cannonlake was a mostly broken chip. It's taken them a year and a half from shipping Cannonlake to starting to ship Ice Lake. The 10nm process Ice Lake is fabbed with is not the same process Cannonlake was fabbed with; Intel has disclosed a few of the changes that were made in order to produce a viable chip, but we won't know the full extent of the changes until TechInsights gets their hands on an Ice Lake chip.
  - ksec 7y ago
    Icelake was never meant for the 10nm used in Cannonlake, it was a 10nm+ part. 2nd the shrink is there, at least according to what just announced ( or picture shown ) in Computex by counting how many die on Wafers. 3rd They are shipping it, we don't know yield but we know they are shipping it at least in decent quantities. And 4th, 10nm is not dead, Intel is not skipping it for 7nm. Nokia is not dead either. And it doesn't matter how anyone spin it, SemiAccruate is like tabloid of Tech Report, and to ensure the quality of news I personally believe it should serve no role on HN.