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So your argument is that only Apple can make an app store? I feel like Google might disagree.

by closetohome 7y ago

henryfjordan 7y ago
Only Apple can make an iPhone app store, which is the market they are alleged to have monopolized
- zaroth 7y ago
  It’s their market! Only Apple can make an Apple App Store for the Apple iPhone. Every company deserves a “monopoly” on their own product, unless they are a common carrier, a designation which is based on the government enabling them to exist through preferential treatment in the first place. Apple created the Apple iPhone and they should be allowed to determine its destiny, as long as other companies are also allowed a fair shot to create their own competing devices.
  - darkpuma 7y ago
    > "Every company deserves a “monopoly” on their own product," Why?
    - village-idiot 7y ago
      Because anything else is silly. Am I allowed to release a Ford car because allowing Ford to have a monopoly on Ford cars is unjust?
      - darkpuma 7y ago
        That's not remotely comparable. Comparable would be asking if you're allowed to release third party components (hardware or software) for Ford cars without asking for Ford's permission. Obviously hardware third party components without Ford's permission is a well established industry. Nobody questions it, except maybe a few lunatic capitalists like Elon Musk. Even then though, I think people like him keep their head on straight for the most part. They don't do much to facilitate it, but if you started selling compatible hardware components for his cars, I doubt they'd actually consider trying to stop you. (If I'm wrong about that, he's worse than I thought.) Your supposition is that software components should be a special case, unlike hardware components, where companies have a right to deny anybody else the right to produce components without their permission. I say that's bullshit. They should be legally forbidden from creating products for which third party components can only exist if given permission.

So your argument is that only Apple can make an app store? I feel like Google might disagree.

henryfjordan 7y ago

Only Apple can make an iPhone app store, which is the market they are alleged to have monopolized

zaroth 7y ago
It’s their market! Only Apple can make an Apple App Store for the Apple iPhone. Every company deserves a “monopoly” on their own product, unless they are a common carrier, a designation which is based on the government enabling them to exist through preferential treatment in the first place. Apple created the Apple iPhone and they should be allowed to determine its destiny, as long as other companies are also allowed a fair shot to create their own competing devices.
- darkpuma 7y ago
  > "Every company deserves a “monopoly” on their own product," Why?
  - village-idiot 7y ago
    Because anything else is silly. Am I allowed to release a Ford car because allowing Ford to have a monopoly on Ford cars is unjust?
    - darkpuma 7y ago
      That's not remotely comparable. Comparable would be asking if you're allowed to release third party components (hardware or software) for Ford cars without asking for Ford's permission. Obviously hardware third party components without Ford's permission is a well established industry. Nobody questions it, except maybe a few lunatic capitalists like Elon Musk. Even then though, I think people like him keep their head on straight for the most part. They don't do much to facilitate it, but if you started selling compatible hardware components for his cars, I doubt they'd actually consider trying to stop you. (If I'm wrong about that, he's worse than I thought.) Your supposition is that software components should be a special case, unlike hardware components, where companies have a right to deny anybody else the right to produce components without their permission. I say that's bullshit. They should be legally forbidden from creating products for which third party components can only exist if given permission.