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Yeah, this is not the consensus among actual owners who voted with their money.

by xedeon 7y ago

whymsicalburito 7y ago
Yeah, but given that Tesla still needs to massively grow the number of actual owners, the consensus of current owners doesn't matter as much as what potential buyers are thinking. As a someone in their exact target demographic, the giant screen is one of the major features I've been stuck on. Articles like these only support the feelings I've had about their touchscreens.
dragonwriter 7y ago
What about the not-owners who voted the other way with their money? I don't think current owners are the whole market Tesla is trying to reach.
m463 7y ago
I would suggest looking at the ui subforums here: https://teslamotorsclub.com/tmc/ https://teslamotorsclub.com/tmc/ Just because the UI isn't very driver-centric doesn't mean the car isn't awesome. When you're not fiddling with the UI, you can accelerate faster than many porsches or vettes. Or if you're in bumper to bumper traffic, you can let the car drive.
brokenmachine 7y ago
I'm voting with my money by never buying a car that uses a cheap touchscreen to control essential stuff that should have dedicated buttons.
- xedeon 7y ago
  Talk is cheap. The same applies when validating any product and people tell you they will "buy" it. But when you ask them to pay, they are nowhere to be found. Using your same analogy, this also means that I have chosen not to vote by not buying any of the luxury German of Japanese sedans. I've had both as daily drivers previously and I do not foresee myself going back. In fact, my wife and I were willing to take two depreciation hits to trade-in our relatively new MBenz sedan and SUV vehicles to go all Tesla. Also, 99% of the functionality needed can already be controlled on the steering wheel buttons if you are so keen with that. Pretty much everything else is automatic. You are also not being forced to buy these cars, so why the vitriol?
  - brokenmachine 7y ago
    > Talk is cheap. The same applies when validating any product and people tell you they will "buy" it. But when you ask them to pay, they are nowhere to be found. I think the talk is less cheap when a person is saying that they WON'T buy something though. I'd contend that people are more likely to NOT buy something they say they won't buy than to buy something they say they will buy. > Using your same analogy, this also means that I have chosen not to vote by not buying any of the luxury German of Japanese sedans. I could have bought a Tesla but decided not to. There were many reasons but that screen was one of them. > You are also not being forced to buy these cars, so why the vitriol? Vitriol? All I said was I'm unhappy about the trend, wouldn't buy a car with it, and expressed that, in the likely vain hope that someone managing these companies is listening, because it's limiting my choice for future cars. Same as you're expressing your love for the design. Also all the phoning-home is something I won't be a part of. When my current car reaches EOL, I think I'll have trouble finding a newish car because of these horrible user-hostile trends.

Yeah, this is not the consensus among actual owners who voted with their money.

by xedeon 7y ago

Yeah, this is not the consensus among actual owners who voted with their money.

Yeah, but given that Tesla still needs to massively grow the number of actual owners, the consensus of current owners doesn't matter as much as what potential buyers are thinking. As a someone in their exact target demographic, the giant screen is one of the major features I've been stuck on. Articles like these only support the feelings I've had about their touchscreens.

dragonwriter 7y ago

What about the not-owners who voted the other way with their money? I don't think current owners are the whole market Tesla is trying to reach.

m463 7y ago

I would suggest looking at the ui subforums here: https://teslamotorsclub.com/tmc/ https://teslamotorsclub.com/tmc/ Just because the UI isn't very driver-centric doesn't mean the car isn't awesome. When you're not fiddling with the UI, you can accelerate faster than many porsches or vettes. Or if you're in bumper to bumper traffic, you can let the car drive.

brokenmachine 7y ago

I'm voting with my money by never buying a car that uses a cheap touchscreen to control essential stuff that should have dedicated buttons.

xedeon 7y ago
Talk is cheap. The same applies when validating any product and people tell you they will "buy" it. But when you ask them to pay, they are nowhere to be found. Using your same analogy, this also means that I have chosen not to vote by not buying any of the luxury German of Japanese sedans. I've had both as daily drivers previously and I do not foresee myself going back. In fact, my wife and I were willing to take two depreciation hits to trade-in our relatively new MBenz sedan and SUV vehicles to go all Tesla. Also, 99% of the functionality needed can already be controlled on the steering wheel buttons if you are so keen with that. Pretty much everything else is automatic. You are also not being forced to buy these cars, so why the vitriol?
- brokenmachine 7y ago
  > Talk is cheap. The same applies when validating any product and people tell you they will "buy" it. But when you ask them to pay, they are nowhere to be found. I think the talk is less cheap when a person is saying that they WON'T buy something though. I'd contend that people are more likely to NOT buy something they say they won't buy than to buy something they say they will buy. > Using your same analogy, this also means that I have chosen not to vote by not buying any of the luxury German of Japanese sedans. I could have bought a Tesla but decided not to. There were many reasons but that screen was one of them. > You are also not being forced to buy these cars, so why the vitriol? Vitriol? All I said was I'm unhappy about the trend, wouldn't buy a car with it, and expressed that, in the likely vain hope that someone managing these companies is listening, because it's limiting my choice for future cars. Same as you're expressing your love for the design. Also all the phoning-home is something I won't be a part of. When my current car reaches EOL, I think I'll have trouble finding a newish car because of these horrible user-hostile trends.