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Pretty sure you would never say the same thing about Google.

by Kiro 7y ago

ziddoap 7y ago
What are you basing this assumption on? The funny thing is, no matter how I reply to your comment I lose by default. If I say I have - you say I'm lying. If I say I haven't, your point is proven. What option do I have? Perhaps you'd like to chime in on the discussion at hand rather than speculating on my personal life.
- lcao 7y ago
  You have the option of not making stupid comments defending the indefensible.
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    - lcao 7y ago
      No need to attack your comment, only in Hacker News, the jerkers of the failed Mozilla Corporation, you'd read a comment as stupid as yours at the top. And all because they hate Google. "Yeah it's true the Mozilla Corporation is terribly mismanaged and has a story of stabbing you at the back. But just trust them again! They won't do it again. For sure."
- dmos62 7y ago
  Kiro does have a point. Not you personally, but in general the popular opinion is that Google is morally bad, while Mozilla is good. I think it would currently be very unpopular to say that Google just made some bad decisions, as in it's not actually "bad", because it would muddy the one-dimensional good-bad discourse to which most of these mainstream problems descend to. Note I'm not actually passing judgements, just talking about group think.
  - ziddoap 7y ago
    I concede that this is a valid outlook (which I did not gather from Kiro's comment, so thanks for clarifying). I tried to word my comment in a way that made it clear that I believe this mentality should apply to _all_ companies, including Google, when a company makes a move in the direction of benefiting consumer privacy. I perhaps could have made that more clear in my original comment.
blub 7y ago
So far Google have only made moves in a direction that damages privacy, so everyone would be too stunned to say anything in your hypothetical case.
eitland 7y ago
I defended them for years. They made me look dumb. I learned my lesson.
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zwaps 7y ago
Never? You may not remember this, but Google used to be cool. "Don't be evil", and all that. There was a lot of hope - when Microsoft was still the bad guys. Working at Google was the dream - they made movies about that. Nowadays we all feel stupid, obviously. Right up to deleting "Don't be evil". Literally taking it out. The nerve.
- SquareWheel 7y ago
  >Nowadays we all feel stupid, obviously. Right up to deleting "Don't be evil". Literally taking it out. The nerve. No they didn't. Please don't spread misinformation.
  - zwaps 7y ago
    Alright, taking it out of the important part and dropping it from Alphabet https://www.searchenginejournal.com/google-dont-be-evil/254019/ https://www.searchenginejournal.com/google-dont-be-evil/2540... http://time.com/4060575/alphabet-google-dont-be-evil/ http://time.com/4060575/alphabet-google-dont-be-evil/ I am more right than I am wrong.
    - SquareWheel 7y ago
      Alphabet never used "Don't be evil" as a motto. They have used "Do the right thing" since their inception.
      - zwaps 7y ago
        Alphabet is Google's parent company and did not exist when "Don't be evil" was put at the top of Googles preamble. Functionally, they took it out. Both by not using it in the new parent company, and deleting it out of the preamble of Google itself. Yeah okay it still occurs somewhere. But "Do the right thing" as substitute to "Don't be evil" has clear implications except if you are terribly naive.
        SquareWheel 7y ago

Pretty sure you would never say the same thing about Google.

by Kiro 7y ago

Pretty sure you would never say the same thing about Google.

What are you basing this assumption on? The funny thing is, no matter how I reply to your comment I lose by default. If I say I have - you say I'm lying. If I say I haven't, your point is proven. What option do I have? Perhaps you'd like to chime in on the discussion at hand rather than speculating on my personal life.

lcao 7y ago
You have the option of not making stupid comments defending the indefensible.
- deleted 7y ago
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  - lcao 7y ago
    No need to attack your comment, only in Hacker News, the jerkers of the failed Mozilla Corporation, you'd read a comment as stupid as yours at the top. And all because they hate Google. "Yeah it's true the Mozilla Corporation is terribly mismanaged and has a story of stabbing you at the back. But just trust them again! They won't do it again. For sure."
dmos62 7y ago
Kiro does have a point. Not you personally, but in general the popular opinion is that Google is morally bad, while Mozilla is good. I think it would currently be very unpopular to say that Google just made some bad decisions, as in it's not actually "bad", because it would muddy the one-dimensional good-bad discourse to which most of these mainstream problems descend to. Note I'm not actually passing judgements, just talking about group think.
- ziddoap 7y ago
  I concede that this is a valid outlook (which I did not gather from Kiro's comment, so thanks for clarifying). I tried to word my comment in a way that made it clear that I believe this mentality should apply to _all_ companies, including Google, when a company makes a move in the direction of benefiting consumer privacy. I perhaps could have made that more clear in my original comment.

blub 7y ago

So far Google have only made moves in a direction that damages privacy, so everyone would be too stunned to say anything in your hypothetical case.

eitland 7y ago

I defended them for years. They made me look dumb. I learned my lesson.

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zwaps 7y ago

Never? You may not remember this, but Google used to be cool. "Don't be evil", and all that. There was a lot of hope - when Microsoft was still the bad guys. Working at Google was the dream - they made movies about that. Nowadays we all feel stupid, obviously. Right up to deleting "Don't be evil". Literally taking it out. The nerve.

SquareWheel 7y ago
>Nowadays we all feel stupid, obviously. Right up to deleting "Don't be evil". Literally taking it out. The nerve. No they didn't. Please don't spread misinformation.
- zwaps 7y ago
  Alright, taking it out of the important part and dropping it from Alphabet https://www.searchenginejournal.com/google-dont-be-evil/254019/ https://www.searchenginejournal.com/google-dont-be-evil/2540... http://time.com/4060575/alphabet-google-dont-be-evil/ http://time.com/4060575/alphabet-google-dont-be-evil/ I am more right than I am wrong.
  - SquareWheel 7y ago
    Alphabet never used "Don't be evil" as a motto. They have used "Do the right thing" since their inception.
    - zwaps 7y ago
      Alphabet is Google's parent company and did not exist when "Don't be evil" was put at the top of Googles preamble. Functionally, they took it out. Both by not using it in the new parent company, and deleting it out of the preamble of Google itself. Yeah okay it still occurs somewhere. But "Do the right thing" as substitute to "Don't be evil" has clear implications except if you are terribly naive.
      - SquareWheel 7y ago