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Unless you are planning criminal activity in the future, this feature could act as an alibi to absolve you of being in the place where a crime was committed. An

by wppick 7y ago

Unless you are planning criminal activity in the future, this feature could act as an alibi to absolve you of being in the place where a crime was committed. And, false positives aside, I think it's great that law enforcement has the tools to keep society safe and civil. Law enforcement is not always == bad

blueline 7y ago
>Unless you are planning criminal activity in the future it's a good thing all laws are just, then, huh?
- kekebo 7y ago
  And that constructing false narratives from meta data isn't a thing
bauc 7y ago
It's nice in theory but can also be helped to convict you if you happen to be near the wrong place at the wrong time. Interesting related video by Law Professor and Police Officer https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d-7o9xYp7eE https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d-7o9xYp7eE
yellowarchangel 7y ago
Tracking the movements of all citizens is not a compromise that ought to be made to keep society safe. This power can and will be abused to target minority groups (closeted LGBT, minority ethnic groups..). Also in America law enforcement has too many times to count abused their power, and fabricated results from "evidence". As any lawyer would say: Don't speak to the police, even if you're innocent. Same with this. If I personally want to share my own private tracking data that my lawyer says I can share.. sure. But I do not want this entire data free for law enforcement to see.
arkades 7y ago
I once did an FOIA request and found I was being monitored by the NYPD for being a regular donor to the NYCLU. Law /enforcement/ isn’t always bad, but mass surveillance of the general populace is.
brogrammer5 7y ago
You have a very naive and sheltered view of the world we live in then.
everdrive 7y ago
What I'm hearing is that I should strap this to my dog, and commit a phone-less crime.
ballenf 7y ago
That really makes no sense given how easy it would be to fake. You'd have to also prove you had possession of the device at the time. What I could see happening is the absence of the data becoming a factor for increased scrutiny. Because, of course, if you don't have anything to hide... why did you stop Google from tracking you?

by wppick 7y ago

blueline 7y ago

>Unless you are planning criminal activity in the future it's a good thing all laws are just, then, huh?

kekebo 7y ago
And that constructing false narratives from meta data isn't a thing

bauc 7y ago

It's nice in theory but can also be helped to convict you if you happen to be near the wrong place at the wrong time. Interesting related video by Law Professor and Police Officer https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d-7o9xYp7eE https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d-7o9xYp7eE

yellowarchangel 7y ago

Tracking the movements of all citizens is not a compromise that ought to be made to keep society safe. This power can and will be abused to target minority groups (closeted LGBT, minority ethnic groups..). Also in America law enforcement has too many times to count abused their power, and fabricated results from "evidence". As any lawyer would say: Don't speak to the police, even if you're innocent. Same with this. If I personally want to share my own private tracking data that my lawyer says I can share.. sure. But I do not want this entire data free for law enforcement to see.

arkades 7y ago

I once did an FOIA request and found I was being monitored by the NYPD for being a regular donor to the NYCLU. Law /enforcement/ isn’t always bad, but mass surveillance of the general populace is.

brogrammer5 7y ago

You have a very naive and sheltered view of the world we live in then.

everdrive 7y ago

What I'm hearing is that I should strap this to my dog, and commit a phone-less crime.

ballenf 7y ago

That really makes no sense given how easy it would be to fake. You'd have to also prove you had possession of the device at the time. What I could see happening is the absence of the data becoming a factor for increased scrutiny. Because, of course, if you don't have anything to hide... why did you stop Google from tracking you?