> IME any attempt to "convince" the customer/employer that code quality was important was a waste of time. It's better simply to get them to decide their desire

> IME any attempt to "convince" the customer/employer that code quality was important was a waste of time. It's better simply to get them to decide their desired level on a rolling basis and act accordingly and find somebody else to work for if the answer isn't to your liking. Exactly, you have to work within the context of the culture.