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I’m not saying I disagree, since I haven’t seen any evidence one way or the other, but maybe you or jtr1 could provide some evidence for those who haven’t been

by rlt 7y ago

I’m not saying I disagree, since I haven’t seen any evidence one way or the other, but maybe you or jtr1 could provide some evidence for those who haven’t been following Gab?

jtr1 7y ago
A fair request. I did sign up some months ago to see for myself, but you can get a good idea perusing the references on their wikipedia article. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gab_(social_network) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gab_(social_network)
- ptah 7y ago
  as an aside i always find it amusing that agitating for removing freedom from people based on religion, ethnicity or sex is somehow considered an enshrined freedom
  - anon12345690 7y ago
    but you want to remove freedom from people just for saying something you dont like. thats bad too.
    - ptah 7y ago
      it is not about something i don't like. it is about stopping people from ruining people's lives: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-48458850 https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-48458850
      - anon12345690 7y ago
        what does this have to do with anything? censorship doesnt fix this
  - antepodius 7y ago
    You're advocating removing freedom from people you don't like. This is, presumably, also an enshrined freedom.
    - ptah 7y ago
      it is not about people i don't like. i don't have any feelings either way about them. it is about stopping people from ruining people's lives: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-48458850 https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-48458850
  - ptah 7y ago
    it is not about something or someone i don't like. it is about stopping people from ruining people's lives: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-48458850 https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-48458850
- rlt 7y ago
  I think it’s important to separate the actions and intents of the company from their users. Any platform that has free speech as a core value will tend to attract objectionable people and content. That wiki page is mostly about the horrible things some of their users say and do.
  - jakelazaroff 7y ago
    Elsewhere in the thread, I've posted a link to screenshots of their official Twitter account making anti-Semitic comments. Here's an image of their founder using a white supremacist hand sign: https://web.archive.org/web/20190530190836/https://inshorts.com/en/news/startups-protrump-ceo-removed-from-y-combinator-network-1479031577237 https://web.archive.org/web/20190530190836/https://inshorts....
    - yjftsjthsd-h 7y ago
      ... The "OK" hand sign?
      - jakelazaroff 7y ago
        https://www.adl.org/blog/how-the-ok-symbol-became-a-popular-trolling-gesture https://www.adl.org/blog/how-the-ok-symbol-became-a-popular-...
        rlt 7y ago
        Did you read the article or even the headline? The ADL literally says it's a trolling gesture, not a white supremacist sign. You can argue that this type of trolling is bad because helps normalize white supremacy, but that doesn't mean their motivation is actual white supremacy.
        deleted 7y ago
        [deleted]
jakelazaroff 7y ago
The "who to follow" on the left side of the post seems to rotate, but if I go down the list of what I see literally every member boasts some sort of odious point of view: - @OldEarthNeoFash, whose description literally says they're a Nazi - @AlexanderVI, who posts about how gay men should not be allowed to be President - @Reality_and_Truth, whose description boasts about "exposing Leftist scum 300 chars at a time" - @cashmoneyglock, whose posts reference Stalin "marrying Jewesses" and a conspiracy theory about MLK being a rapist - @BruceKenneway, whose description references Jews and white genocide - @AnthonyBoy, whose posts insinuate that Robert Mueller commits bestiality Try it! I'm sure you'll get a similar collection of terrible people. Remember, this is apropos of nothing. I don't have a Gab account, so they're not personalizing these for me based on accounts with which I've interacted before. It's just a random sample of people on Gab.
- Fins 7y ago
  Frankly, if you look you can find people equally odious on Twitter as well. but if only people leaning in one direction get deplatformed there, of course they will congregate on a platform where they do not get deplatformed. Both end up as self-perpetuating filter bubbles (although Twitter might be slightly better just because its older and larger).
  - jakelazaroff 7y ago
    > Frankly, if you look you can find people equally odious on Twitter as well. You can, but it's a tiny minority of people on Twitter. When I load this page on Gab, literally every single recommended account is like this. A random sample of Twitter users will be basically the same as a random sample of Internet users and brands; a random sample of Gab users seems to be entirely alt-right, white supremacists and Nazis. Of course people who tend to get deplatformed will tend to congregate on a platform where they don't. But Gab actively courts this userbase. See for example https://twitter.com/ClenchedFisk/status/1027690034718224384 https://twitter.com/ClenchedFisk/status/1027690034718224384
    - Fins 7y ago

by rlt 7y ago

I’m not saying I disagree, since I haven’t seen any evidence one way or the other, but maybe you or jtr1 could provide some evidence for those who haven’t been following Gab?

jtr1 7y ago

A fair request. I did sign up some months ago to see for myself, but you can get a good idea perusing the references on their wikipedia article. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gab_(social_network) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gab_(social_network)

ptah 7y ago
as an aside i always find it amusing that agitating for removing freedom from people based on religion, ethnicity or sex is somehow considered an enshrined freedom
- anon12345690 7y ago
  but you want to remove freedom from people just for saying something you dont like. thats bad too.
  - ptah 7y ago
    it is not about something i don't like. it is about stopping people from ruining people's lives: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-48458850 https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-48458850
    - anon12345690 7y ago
      what does this have to do with anything? censorship doesnt fix this
- antepodius 7y ago
  You're advocating removing freedom from people you don't like. This is, presumably, also an enshrined freedom.
  - ptah 7y ago
    it is not about people i don't like. i don't have any feelings either way about them. it is about stopping people from ruining people's lives: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-48458850 https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-48458850
- ptah 7y ago
  it is not about something or someone i don't like. it is about stopping people from ruining people's lives: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-48458850 https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-48458850
rlt 7y ago
I think it’s important to separate the actions and intents of the company from their users. Any platform that has free speech as a core value will tend to attract objectionable people and content. That wiki page is mostly about the horrible things some of their users say and do.
- jakelazaroff 7y ago
  Elsewhere in the thread, I've posted a link to screenshots of their official Twitter account making anti-Semitic comments. Here's an image of their founder using a white supremacist hand sign: https://web.archive.org/web/20190530190836/https://inshorts.com/en/news/startups-protrump-ceo-removed-from-y-combinator-network-1479031577237 https://web.archive.org/web/20190530190836/https://inshorts....
  - yjftsjthsd-h 7y ago
    ... The "OK" hand sign?
    - jakelazaroff 7y ago
      https://www.adl.org/blog/how-the-ok-symbol-became-a-popular-trolling-gesture https://www.adl.org/blog/how-the-ok-symbol-became-a-popular-...
      - rlt 7y ago
        Did you read the article or even the headline? The ADL literally says it's a trolling gesture, not a white supremacist sign. You can argue that this type of trolling is bad because helps normalize white supremacy, but that doesn't mean their motivation is actual white supremacy.
        deleted 7y ago
        [deleted]

jakelazaroff 7y ago

The "who to follow" on the left side of the post seems to rotate, but if I go down the list of what I see literally every member boasts some sort of odious point of view: - @OldEarthNeoFash, whose description literally says they're a Nazi - @AlexanderVI, who posts about how gay men should not be allowed to be President - @Reality_and_Truth, whose description boasts about "exposing Leftist scum 300 chars at a time" - @cashmoneyglock, whose posts reference Stalin "marrying Jewesses" and a conspiracy theory about MLK being a rapist - @BruceKenneway, whose description references Jews and white genocide - @AnthonyBoy, whose posts insinuate that Robert Mueller commits bestiality Try it! I'm sure you'll get a similar collection of terrible people. Remember, this is apropos of nothing. I don't have a Gab account, so they're not personalizing these for me based on accounts with which I've interacted before. It's just a random sample of people on Gab.

Fins 7y ago
Frankly, if you look you can find people equally odious on Twitter as well. but if only people leaning in one direction get deplatformed there, of course they will congregate on a platform where they do not get deplatformed. Both end up as self-perpetuating filter bubbles (although Twitter might be slightly better just because its older and larger).
- jakelazaroff 7y ago
  > Frankly, if you look you can find people equally odious on Twitter as well. You can, but it's a tiny minority of people on Twitter. When I load this page on Gab, literally every single recommended account is like this. A random sample of Twitter users will be basically the same as a random sample of Internet users and brands; a random sample of Gab users seems to be entirely alt-right, white supremacists and Nazis. Of course people who tend to get deplatformed will tend to congregate on a platform where they don't. But Gab actively courts this userbase. See for example https://twitter.com/ClenchedFisk/status/1027690034718224384 https://twitter.com/ClenchedFisk/status/1027690034718224384
  - Fins 7y ago