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Your argument does not appropriately address the concern. Donating real cash to an effort actually helps. Withdrawing CRM software from gun retailers does not a

Your argument does not appropriately address the concern. Donating real cash to an effort actually helps. Withdrawing CRM software from gun retailers does not accomplish anything to reduce gun violence. Virtue signaling, as a term, is intended to address instances where the social signal is more highly prioritized than the action itself. The action was specifically to fire some of Salesforce's customers over a political motive.

toomuchtodo 7y ago
Would you not consider it possible that by firing a gun customer, and thereby making it harder to transact, its possible gun violence was slightly reduced? I mean, it's clear the US isn't going to enact sane gun control policy, so you can't also be shocked when the free market decides to act. While Salesforce alone isn't big enough to move the needle with gun violence, as with deplatforming white supremacists, it does work when everyone acts in concert.
- challenger22 7y ago
  I strongly believe this will not reduce gun violence. I also concede that it is impossible to measure. I think their CRM software (and other software) is about as integral to the sale of a gun as the Doritos for sale in the gun retailer's company canteen. If Frito-Lay came out and said "we will no longer sell snack products to gun retailers" would you applaud them?
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  - fuzz4lyfe 7y ago
    Given that as I understand it most gun violence is undertaken by people who have obtained the firearms illegally[0] or are prohibited from owning them I doubt this will move the needle at all. All this does is prevent people who would legally obtain arms and very probably use them safely to be recorded in a competitors CRM system as opposed to Salesforce. [0]https://www.politifact.com/new-york/statements/2018/mar/12/john-faso/do-illegal-gun-owners-commit-most-gun-crime-rep-fa/ https://www.politifact.com/new-york/statements/2018/mar/12/j...
    - homonculus1 7y ago
      To add to that the class of firearm in question is barely represented in crime in the first place.
  - ohyea 7y ago
    They bought Demandware (eCommerce platform) a while ago so it is possible that they are talking about more than their CRM. For any retailer, losing your eCommerce platform would be a pretty big bummer.

toomuchtodo 7y ago

Would you not consider it possible that by firing a gun customer, and thereby making it harder to transact, its possible gun violence was slightly reduced? I mean, it's clear the US isn't going to enact sane gun control policy, so you can't also be shocked when the free market decides to act. While Salesforce alone isn't big enough to move the needle with gun violence, as with deplatforming white supremacists, it does work when everyone acts in concert.

challenger22 7y ago
I strongly believe this will not reduce gun violence. I also concede that it is impossible to measure. I think their CRM software (and other software) is about as integral to the sale of a gun as the Doritos for sale in the gun retailer's company canteen. If Frito-Lay came out and said "we will no longer sell snack products to gun retailers" would you applaud them?
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- fuzz4lyfe 7y ago
  Given that as I understand it most gun violence is undertaken by people who have obtained the firearms illegally[0] or are prohibited from owning them I doubt this will move the needle at all. All this does is prevent people who would legally obtain arms and very probably use them safely to be recorded in a competitors CRM system as opposed to Salesforce. [0]https://www.politifact.com/new-york/statements/2018/mar/12/john-faso/do-illegal-gun-owners-commit-most-gun-crime-rep-fa/ https://www.politifact.com/new-york/statements/2018/mar/12/j...
  - homonculus1 7y ago
    To add to that the class of firearm in question is barely represented in crime in the first place.
- ohyea 7y ago
  They bought Demandware (eCommerce platform) a while ago so it is possible that they are talking about more than their CRM. For any retailer, losing your eCommerce platform would be a pretty big bummer.