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An interesting podcast about when the minorities themselves choose not to date among their own groups. Colonized desire: https://www.kqed.org/podcasts/50/coloni

An interesting podcast about when the minorities themselves choose not to date among their own groups. Colonized desire: https://www.kqed.org/podcasts/50/colonized-desire-episode-2-coming-may-23 https://www.kqed.org/podcasts/50/colonized-desire-episode-2-...

bogdanoff3857sq 7y ago
What's the takeaway? Being attracted to white people is bad?
deogeo 7y ago
I don't think colonization is a sufficient explanation. From https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slavery_in_the_Ottoman_Empire#Ottoman_Sexual_Slavery https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slavery_in_the_Ottoman_Empire#...: "Circassian girls were described as fair and light-skinned and were frequently enslaved by Crimean Tatars then sold to Ottoman empire to live and serve in a Harem. They were the most expensive, reaching up to 500 pounds sterling, and the most popular with the Turks." Here the Turks were doing the colonizing, so it can't be said that these preferences were somehow imposed on them by a colonizer.
- biketr 7y ago
  I would say your example is more like how “the other” is fetishized by the society doing the colonizing. We see that today with asian women being highly sexualized by western media.
  - deogeo 7y ago
    Aren't e.g. white people just as much "the other" from the point of view of black people? We're just picking the explanation we prefer depending on the case, without any real justification. If it's a minority that prefers some other ethnicity, it's colonized desire, but if it's a majority, it's fetishizing "the other"?
    - homonculus1 7y ago
      Heads I win, tails white people are evil. This is what you get when your school of thought holds group conflict as its axiom of morality and justice rather than the rights of the individual. It is a narrative of victimhood which can never be rectified because its perpetual existence is baked into the worldview.
deadmetheny 7y ago
The hosts of this seem to be pushing the idea that non-whites dating whites is bad, because...reasons? There's nothing wrong with interracial dating for those who want to do it, and there's nothing wrong with those who don't want to do it, either.

bogdanoff3857sq 7y ago

What's the takeaway? Being attracted to white people is bad?

deogeo 7y ago

I don't think colonization is a sufficient explanation. From https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slavery_in_the_Ottoman_Empire#Ottoman_Sexual_Slavery https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slavery_in_the_Ottoman_Empire#...: "Circassian girls were described as fair and light-skinned and were frequently enslaved by Crimean Tatars then sold to Ottoman empire to live and serve in a Harem. They were the most expensive, reaching up to 500 pounds sterling, and the most popular with the Turks." Here the Turks were doing the colonizing, so it can't be said that these preferences were somehow imposed on them by a colonizer.

biketr 7y ago
I would say your example is more like how “the other” is fetishized by the society doing the colonizing. We see that today with asian women being highly sexualized by western media.
- deogeo 7y ago
  Aren't e.g. white people just as much "the other" from the point of view of black people? We're just picking the explanation we prefer depending on the case, without any real justification. If it's a minority that prefers some other ethnicity, it's colonized desire, but if it's a majority, it's fetishizing "the other"?
  - homonculus1 7y ago
    Heads I win, tails white people are evil. This is what you get when your school of thought holds group conflict as its axiom of morality and justice rather than the rights of the individual. It is a narrative of victimhood which can never be rectified because its perpetual existence is baked into the worldview.

deadmetheny 7y ago

The hosts of this seem to be pushing the idea that non-whites dating whites is bad, because...reasons? There's nothing wrong with interracial dating for those who want to do it, and there's nothing wrong with those who don't want to do it, either.