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This is actually normal, and is done in a lot of countries. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Election_silence https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Election_silence. Acco

by nscalf 7y ago

This is actually normal, and is done in a lot of countries. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Election_silence https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Election_silence. According to this, France acts "on the Saturday before the Sunday election; polling silence included"

sasasassy 7y ago
A ban on political campaigning is very different from banning speech on politics in general.
- keymone 7y ago
  No, it’s really not with such politicized Facebook groups. In fact access to any medium where one’s opinion can get distributed to unreasonable number of consumers should be banned. Contemplate your choice on your own.
  - matthewaveryusa 7y ago
    Agreed. The irony of it all makes me really wonder: is the yellow vest leadership really that stupid to not know they would be throttled before the elections? No, they are led by expert manipulators that are playing a zerosum game -- if some uneducated person cements their belief that they are being silenced by Facebook unreasonablly that's a win. And if you know the laws you can shrug off the lie. Welcome to the era of zerosum politics.
  - phkahler 7y ago
    The more I think about it, this makes sense. No last minute Meme should sway your vote or trigger action. One should know at least a day in advance what they are voting for. OTOH it is sensorship.
aikah 7y ago
> This is actually normal, and is done in a lot of countries. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Election_silence https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Election_silence. According to this, France acts "on the Saturday before the Sunday election; polling silence included" The yellow vest aren't a political party, they may have individuals running but that page wasn't one of a political party, they aren't even an organisation. This is purely Facebook enforcing political censorship to please the French government, there is nothing normal about it. People are not forced to stop talking about politics on a public forum the day of the elections, that's complete bullshit. It would be like saying, that people gathering into a bar on election day are barred from talking about politics. There is absolutely no such law that mandates that in France. So please explain us what is normal about it again?
- NotPaidToPost 7y ago
  I disagree. French law states: "A partir de la veille du scrutin à zéro heure, il est également interdit de diffuser ou de faire diffuser par tout moyen de communication au public par voie électronique tout message ayant le caractère de propagande électorale." [Article L49 of the Code Electoral] I.e. it is illegal to disseminate or to have disseminated any "electoral propaganda" message through any electronic communication mean from the Saturday before polling day (which always takes place on a Sunday). Any Facebook post, tweet, email, SMS text, etc which content is aimed at influencing the poll is thus illegal and it is not hard to understand why they blocked that group during the weekend.
  - aikah 7y ago
    "Tout message ayant le caractère de propagande électorale". Tu vas devoir prouver que la page Facebook des gillets jaunes diffusait des messages ayant "le caractère de propagande électorale", en premier lieu, d'une. Il n'est pas interdit de discuter politique sur un forum le jour même de l’élection. Il n'y a aucune loi en France interdisant les gens de discuter politique le jour du scrutin. Il est interdit aux candidats de faire campagne. propagande électorale =/= propagande politique. La différence est évidence.
    - NotPaidToPost 7y ago
      What are people going to discuss on a Yellow vest Facebook group on an election weekend? How is "political propaganda" different from "electoral propaganda" on an election weekend? You're obviously in bad faith here. My argument is intellectual honesty and the law in all its glaring clarity.
      - aikah 7y ago
        > You're obviously in bad faith here. Look at you resorting to personal attacks since you have no other argument, mixing up two very different things: political discussion and campaigning. The former isn't outlawed the day of the election.
- 7y ago
scohesc 7y ago
What I'd like to see is if there's any other social media pages on the other side of the political spectrum that have been blocked.
Miner49er 7y ago
Does anybody know if this effected other FB groups? Were any other political groups silenced around this time in France?

by nscalf 7y ago

sasasassy 7y ago

A ban on political campaigning is very different from banning speech on politics in general.

keymone 7y ago
No, it’s really not with such politicized Facebook groups. In fact access to any medium where one’s opinion can get distributed to unreasonable number of consumers should be banned. Contemplate your choice on your own.
- matthewaveryusa 7y ago
  Agreed. The irony of it all makes me really wonder: is the yellow vest leadership really that stupid to not know they would be throttled before the elections? No, they are led by expert manipulators that are playing a zerosum game -- if some uneducated person cements their belief that they are being silenced by Facebook unreasonablly that's a win. And if you know the laws you can shrug off the lie. Welcome to the era of zerosum politics.
- phkahler 7y ago
  The more I think about it, this makes sense. No last minute Meme should sway your vote or trigger action. One should know at least a day in advance what they are voting for. OTOH it is sensorship.

aikah 7y ago

> This is actually normal, and is done in a lot of countries. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Election_silence https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Election_silence. According to this, France acts "on the Saturday before the Sunday election; polling silence included" The yellow vest aren't a political party, they may have individuals running but that page wasn't one of a political party, they aren't even an organisation. This is purely Facebook enforcing political censorship to please the French government, there is nothing normal about it. People are not forced to stop talking about politics on a public forum the day of the elections, that's complete bullshit. It would be like saying, that people gathering into a bar on election day are barred from talking about politics. There is absolutely no such law that mandates that in France. So please explain us what is normal about it again?

NotPaidToPost 7y ago
I disagree. French law states: "A partir de la veille du scrutin à zéro heure, il est également interdit de diffuser ou de faire diffuser par tout moyen de communication au public par voie électronique tout message ayant le caractère de propagande électorale." [Article L49 of the Code Electoral] I.e. it is illegal to disseminate or to have disseminated any "electoral propaganda" message through any electronic communication mean from the Saturday before polling day (which always takes place on a Sunday). Any Facebook post, tweet, email, SMS text, etc which content is aimed at influencing the poll is thus illegal and it is not hard to understand why they blocked that group during the weekend.
- aikah 7y ago
  "Tout message ayant le caractère de propagande électorale". Tu vas devoir prouver que la page Facebook des gillets jaunes diffusait des messages ayant "le caractère de propagande électorale", en premier lieu, d'une. Il n'est pas interdit de discuter politique sur un forum le jour même de l’élection. Il n'y a aucune loi en France interdisant les gens de discuter politique le jour du scrutin. Il est interdit aux candidats de faire campagne. propagande électorale =/= propagande politique. La différence est évidence.
  - NotPaidToPost 7y ago
    What are people going to discuss on a Yellow vest Facebook group on an election weekend? How is "political propaganda" different from "electoral propaganda" on an election weekend? You're obviously in bad faith here. My argument is intellectual honesty and the law in all its glaring clarity.
    - aikah 7y ago
      > You're obviously in bad faith here. Look at you resorting to personal attacks since you have no other argument, mixing up two very different things: political discussion and campaigning. The former isn't outlawed the day of the election.
7y ago

scohesc 7y ago

What I'd like to see is if there's any other social media pages on the other side of the political spectrum that have been blocked.

Miner49er 7y ago

Does anybody know if this effected other FB groups? Were any other political groups silenced around this time in France?