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It's interesting that US government is embracing Tor, while Germany is cracking down on it[1]. [1] - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=19399576 https://news

It's interesting that US government is embracing Tor, while Germany is cracking down on it[1]. [1] - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=19399576 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=19399576

danesparza 7y ago
To be fair, "embracing Tor" is an interesting phrase, considering the FBI was actively breaking it 5 years ago: https://www.forbes.com/sites/kashmirhill/2014/11/07/how-did-law-enforcement-break-tor/#74586a9a4bf7 https://www.forbes.com/sites/kashmirhill/2014/11/07/how-did-...
- microcolonel 7y ago
  Local and state LEOs and the CIA use it though, even if the FBI has done some attacks on it.
- cyphar 7y ago
  And the fact that the NSA spent a large amount of resources trying to break it. But law enforcement all over the world uses Tor to ensure that potentially-illegal websites can't fingerprint them.
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dragonwriter 7y ago
The US government created Tor for intelligence purposes. So it being embraced by the US intelligence community is unsurprising.
- cyphar 7y ago
  The US Navy created the concept of onion routing. Tor was not developed by the US government, it was developed in public (by Roger Dingledine and the rest of the Tor community).
  - dragonwriter 7y ago
    > The US Navy created the concept of onion routing. Tor was not developed by the US government, Yes, it was, and it was released under a free license by the US Naval Research Lab in 2004. > it was developed in public (by Roger Dingledine and the rest of the Tor community). No, it was developed by Dingledine and others under contract with US Naval Research Lab before being released by that Lab under a free license. Further development occurred after it was released in a public project (most of whose funding over its life has come from...the US government.)
  - astura 7y ago
    Tor was developed at the Naval Research Laboratory and Roger Dingledine was under contract with and funded by the US Government. https://pando.com/2014/07/16/tor-spooks/ https://pando.com/2014/07/16/tor-spooks/
  - sdinsn 7y ago
    No, the NRL developed Tor.
j16sdiz 7y ago
Department of State paid most of the Tor budget https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-switch/wp/2013/10/05/the-nsa-is-trying-to-crack-tor-the-state-department-is-helping-pay-for-it/?noredirect=on&utm_term=.6c49ad94a95f https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-switch/wp/2013/10/05...
- nacs 7y ago
  Without paywall: https://outline.com/TPr3uA https://outline.com/TPr3uA
dantheman 7y ago
The US Government created TOR.

It's interesting that US government is embracing Tor, while Germany is cracking down on it[1]. [1] - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=19399576 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=19399576

danesparza 7y ago

To be fair, "embracing Tor" is an interesting phrase, considering the FBI was actively breaking it 5 years ago: https://www.forbes.com/sites/kashmirhill/2014/11/07/how-did-law-enforcement-break-tor/#74586a9a4bf7 https://www.forbes.com/sites/kashmirhill/2014/11/07/how-did-...

microcolonel 7y ago
Local and state LEOs and the CIA use it though, even if the FBI has done some attacks on it.
cyphar 7y ago
And the fact that the NSA spent a large amount of resources trying to break it. But law enforcement all over the world uses Tor to ensure that potentially-illegal websites can't fingerprint them.

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dragonwriter 7y ago

The US government created Tor for intelligence purposes. So it being embraced by the US intelligence community is unsurprising.

cyphar 7y ago
The US Navy created the concept of onion routing. Tor was not developed by the US government, it was developed in public (by Roger Dingledine and the rest of the Tor community).
- dragonwriter 7y ago
  > The US Navy created the concept of onion routing. Tor was not developed by the US government, Yes, it was, and it was released under a free license by the US Naval Research Lab in 2004. > it was developed in public (by Roger Dingledine and the rest of the Tor community). No, it was developed by Dingledine and others under contract with US Naval Research Lab before being released by that Lab under a free license. Further development occurred after it was released in a public project (most of whose funding over its life has come from...the US government.)
- astura 7y ago
  Tor was developed at the Naval Research Laboratory and Roger Dingledine was under contract with and funded by the US Government. https://pando.com/2014/07/16/tor-spooks/ https://pando.com/2014/07/16/tor-spooks/
- sdinsn 7y ago
  No, the NRL developed Tor.

j16sdiz 7y ago

Department of State paid most of the Tor budget https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-switch/wp/2013/10/05/the-nsa-is-trying-to-crack-tor-the-state-department-is-helping-pay-for-it/?noredirect=on&utm_term=.6c49ad94a95f https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-switch/wp/2013/10/05...

nacs 7y ago
Without paywall: https://outline.com/TPr3uA https://outline.com/TPr3uA

dantheman 7y ago

The US Government created TOR.