>Of course you could argue that these heavyweight designs are a bad idea in the first place, but that's a trickier discussion. I would argue that, and I don't

>Of course you could argue that these heavyweight designs are a bad idea in the first place, but that's a trickier discussion. I would argue that, and I don't think it's a particularly tricky discussion; If your site design subverts the normal, expected behaviour and functionality of the browser to such an extreme degree, then you created a poor user experience.