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One of my best friends worked at the NSA, then the CIA. Smart guy. Unfortunately he got charged for Vault7 leaks and is going to spend the rest of his life in j
by mruts 7y ago
One of my best friends worked at the NSA, then the CIA. Smart guy. Unfortunately he got charged for Vault7 leaks and is going to spend the rest of his life in jail.
So, in short, don’t work for them. It might seem cool, but it’s not worth it. If they don’t like you, they’ll fuck you.
- edoo 7y agoHow do you get charged for leaks if you weren't the leaker?
- dragonwriter 7y agoHow do you get charged with any crime without being guilty? It's not that uncommon an occurrence.
- edoo 7y agoGreat point. I am constantly amazed by my conditioned bias towards trust even in the constant face of contradictory evidence regarding these groups.
- lallysingh 7y agoBe on the list of people who have access and be the least lucky on it.
- scottLobster 7y agoCollusion with the leaker probably
- icxa 7y agoThe same way you get charged for murder when you weren't the murderer.
- JackFr 7y agoDo they have the wrong guy or is “they don’t like you” == “commit espionage against the United States”?
- tgragnato 7y agoThere are lots of clues that indicates they have the right guy, or one of the guys. For intellectual honesty "commit espionage against the United States" is not the choice of words I'd use.
- JackFr 7y agoWhy mince words? It's literally the definition of espionage. Intentionally collecting secret material and distributing it is simply spying. He may have thought he was serving some higher good, but that's hardly uncommon among spies.
- tgragnato 7y agoThe root of the prosecution for distributing secrets lies in the espionage act (plus amendments). When I say someone is a spy I mean "someone sold secrets to a foreign power". When a US judge says someone is a spy it roughly means "someone divulged classified information and/or ..<list of things>..". The law considers divulging secrets as espionage because loose lips sink ships: using the espionage act to prosecute anyone posing a threat to national security is the easiest (and practical) way to make a danger harmless. The main issue with defining espionage like this is the logical confusion that creates in people: quoting Daniel Ellsberg "the current state of whistleblowing prosecutions under the Espionage Act makes a truly fair trial wholly unavailable to an American who has exposed classified wrongdoing". It's not my job to rule if someone is a whistleblower, a spy, or someone who protests against things he deems wrong through the disclosure of classified material. What I know is that the US law is bad because it does not distinguish between "someone who sold secrets to a foreign power" and "someone who divulged classified information": these are fundamentally different (illegal) things. The whole situation gets worse when anybody gets to read stuff like "5. FBI told plaintiff they could not afford another Snowden" and "6. FBI steal plaintiff's cell phone and passport" (https://imgur.com/RMJk7QC https://imgur.com/RMJk7QC). It's ironic that the onion is "ciadotgov + 4SJW + __ ".
- Kurtz79 7y agoI assume you are talking about this guy, since there are not many ex-CIA charged with Vault7 leaks who risk a life sentence. I don't know enough about the case to form an opinion about it, but at first glance, uploading CIA-related source code to GitHub it's not what I would define as "smart". https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/qvn83q/joshua-schulte-cia-vault-7-wikileaks-opsec https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/qvn83q/joshua-schulte-cia... https://www.thedailybeast.com/exclusive-cia-leaker-josh-schulte-posted-agency-code-onlineand-cia-never-noticed https://www.thedailybeast.com/exclusive-cia-leaker-josh-schu...